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By: Jon Udell

Jon Udell — Mon, 24 May 2010 14:39:00 +0000

A hashtag for identifying this item in Twitter or Facebook

As per http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/05/24/how-do-you-find-pages-that-cite-a-permalink/, the goal here is not just to integrate with Twitter and/or Facebook, but more broadly to produce webscale identifiers that will work everywhere.

http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/09/17/speaking-and-writing-webscale-identifiers/

http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/08/31/the-joy-of-webscale-identifiers/

By: How do you find pages that cite a permalink? « Jon Udell

How do you find pages that cite a permalink? « Jon Udell — Mon, 24 May 2010 14:20:10 +0000

[...] a permalink? Posted by Jon Udell under Uncategorized Leave a Comment When I posted Permalinks and hashtags for city council agenda items last week, I embedded a permalink and a hashtag to illustrate the idea. The post links to the video [...]

By: James

James — Mon, 24 May 2010 13:32:43 +0000

I wonder if they could make each mention of a hashtag into a clickable link taking the user to a Twitter search for that tag (or to some other sort of view that collated information related to the tag).

Also, perhaps when the user hovers over a hashtag it could provide a brief floating message saying something like ‘A hashtag for identifying this item in Twitter or Facebook’

By: Jon Udell

Jon Udell — Mon, 24 May 2010 13:10:18 +0000

it would be even better if you could link to a range

True. I used to harp on that a lot, and even came up with a hack to make MP3 files citable in that way:

http://www.oreillynet.com/network/2004/09/03/primetime.html

I would still love to see range citation become easy and common. But, I’ve come to see that it’s a second-order problem. The first-order problem is the one addressed here: Associating every piece of public business with a unique tag, advertising that tag as a rendezvous for decentralized collaboration, and actually getting the collaboration to happen.

By: Jon Udell

Jon Udell — Mon, 24 May 2010 13:04:53 +0000

what if each person uses their own hashtag for the same permalink, for example?

You could, but you wouldn’t want to. The reason for using the tag is to make your contribution show up in other contexts where you’d like it to appear.

That said, Javier Muniz at Granicus has suggested a great idea: use a URL shortener to unify the permalink and hashtag namespaces.

By: Michael Mahemoff

Michael Mahemoff — Sat, 22 May 2010 20:43:43 +0000

Yes, permalinks to arbitary times in videos is a good thing. I’ve become accustomed to linking to segments in youtube and was recently frustrated by my inability to do likewise on another site.

That said, it would be even better if you could link to a range (i.e. start AND end time; maybe the video you linked to does that; I can’t say it as it requires some plugin I evidently don’t have). A range would be more semantically appropriate in many cases, and it should be possible to play/embed only that range.

By: Tim Hare

Tim Hare — Sat, 22 May 2010 15:43:13 +0000

This sounds a lot like project Xanadu an outgrowth of the hypertext envisioned by Ted Nelson in Computer Lib / Dream Machines…

The difference is the informality – in Xanadu as I understand it (and I don’t claim complete understanding) each segment of a “document” had a unique ID which could be linked to, but I believe it required a standardized naming scheme. This idea is much more ‘bottom up’ – which could be good, but also may have some problems: what if each person uses their own hashtag for the same permalink, for example?

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