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		<title>By: odata-for-collaborative-sense-making &#124; Ra Puke Moana</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-200541</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/ Rate this:  Like this:LikeBe the first to like this post.   This entry was posted in OData, Social Media. Bookmark the permalink.    &#8592; Thinkmap.com &#124;&#160;Architecture Jon&#160;Udell &#8594; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/</a> Rate this:  Like this:LikeBe the first to like this post.   This entry was posted in OData, Social Media. Bookmark the permalink.    &larr; Thinkmap.com |&nbsp;Architecture Jon&nbsp;Udell &rarr; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-134847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kingsley Idehen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 16:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re. PowerPivot and URLs that de-ref to RDF based Linked Data Representations you need a server that is capable of transforming responses into the CXSML format understood by Pivot. 

What we do is use the Pivot browser (in conventional browser usage pattern form) to establish a bookmark against an RDF based Linked Data Set via Faceted Navigation on the server side. Once the bookmark is established, and Pivot GETs against said URL, you basically have Pivot doing its thing.


Here is a demonstration of how Virtuoso does this:

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29DBIEcIuQ

Kingsley]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. PowerPivot and URLs that de-ref to RDF based Linked Data Representations you need a server that is capable of transforming responses into the CXSML format understood by Pivot. </p>
<p>What we do is use the Pivot browser (in conventional browser usage pattern form) to establish a bookmark against an RDF based Linked Data Set via Faceted Navigation on the server side. Once the bookmark is established, and Pivot GETs against said URL, you basically have Pivot doing its thing.</p>
<p>Here is a demonstration of how Virtuoso does this:</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29DBIEcIuQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G29DBIEcIuQ</a></p>
<p>Kingsley</p>
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		<title>By: brandycraig</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-134817</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 22:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am trying to connect PowerPivot to a REST URL in RDF format, but PowerPivot doesn&#039;t appear to support it. Do you know how to either convert RDF to Atom, or some other way to make this work?

Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to connect PowerPivot to a REST URL in RDF format, but PowerPivot doesn&#8217;t appear to support it. Do you know how to either convert RDF to Atom, or some other way to make this work?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Every package has its own home page on the web!&#8221; &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-134628</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8220;Every package has its own home page on the web!&#8221; &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 19:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] named things we&#8217;ll need to automate the naming. That&#8217;s part of what I was driving at in OData for collaborative sense-making. Given any set of things, the web names for those things, and for the relationships among those [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] named things we&#8217;ll need to automate the naming. That&#8217;s part of what I was driving at in OData for collaborative sense-making. Given any set of things, the web names for those things, and for the relationships among those [...]</p>
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		<title>By: とても便利な OData のまとめページ &#8212; Noelios Technologies [ #mix10 #mix10j ] &#171; Agile Cat &#8212; Azure &#38; Hadoop &#8212; Talking Book</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Restlet supports OData, the Open Data Protocol &#171; Noelios Technologies</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-132537</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Restlet supports OData, the Open Data Protocol &#171; Noelios Technologies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 06:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell on OData at Douglas Purdy</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-132038</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell on OData at Douglas Purdy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Producing and consuming OData feeds: An end-to-end example &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-132031</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Producing and consuming OData feeds: An end-to-end example &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Posted by Jon Udell under Uncategorized Leave a Comment&#160;   Having waxed theoretical about the Open Data Protocol (OData), it&#8217;s time to make things more concrete. I&#8217;ve been [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: links for 2010-02-06 &#171; Talkabout</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-132010</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[links for 2010-02-06 &#171; Talkabout]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &quot;fully articulated #namespace&quot; &#8211; 2 examples from Jon Udell &#124; http://tinyurl.com/yh7v... &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Would you explain what you mean by fully articulated (as distinct, I suppose, from partially or un-articulated) name spaces?&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt; I mean that every significant item of interest is URL addressable. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt; A somewhat coarsely-granular example: The case of a city council meeting, that would mean ensuring that every agenda item is addressable, not just the meeting as a whole. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt; A more finely-granular example: A crime dataset would be URL-addressable by category, view, or even perhaps by more precise query that gets down to a rowset or even a field. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; (tags: namespace rdf odata microsoft judell interesting example february 2010 triple conversation) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &quot;fully articulated #namespace&quot; &#8211; 2 examples from Jon Udell | <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yh7v.." rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yh7v..</a>. &lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Would you explain what you mean by fully articulated (as distinct, I suppose, from partially or un-articulated) name spaces?&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt; I mean that every significant item of interest is URL addressable. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt; A somewhat coarsely-granular example: The case of a city council meeting, that would mean ensuring that every agenda item is addressable, not just the meeting as a whole. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt; A more finely-granular example: A crime dataset would be URL-addressable by category, view, or even perhaps by more precise query that gets down to a rowset or even a field. &lt;/p&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; (tags: namespace rdf odata microsoft judell interesting example february 2010 triple conversation) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-131982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jamie, thanks for doing that. Very instructive! And the URIs, at least for now, remain live.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jamie, thanks for doing that. Very instructive! And the URIs, at least for now, remain live.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-131978</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Related:

http://www.mygreatwindowsazureidea.com/forums/34685-sql-azure-feature-voting/suggestions/464728-odata-support

In other words, SQL Azure doesn&#039;t currently export OData URIs but there&#039;s a groundswell movement to vote up the feature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mygreatwindowsazureidea.com/forums/34685-sql-azure-feature-voting/suggestions/464728-odata-support" rel="nofollow">http://www.mygreatwindowsazureidea.com/forums/34685-sql-azure-feature-voting/suggestions/464728-odata-support</a></p>
<p>In other words, SQL Azure doesn&#8217;t currently export OData URIs but there&#8217;s a groundswell movement to vote up the feature.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-131977</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kingsley Idehen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pablo,

BTW - is there a chance that your team could publish OData URIs bound to the Northwind Demo Database? Using a well known schema drives home the benefits of the imminent: Logical to Conceptual model transition, with much more ease than new schemas ever could.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pablo,</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; is there a chance that your team could publish OData URIs bound to the Northwind Demo Database? Using a well known schema drives home the benefits of the imminent: Logical to Conceptual model transition, with much more ease than new schemas ever could.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-131976</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kingsley Idehen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pablo,

Re. Content Negotiation, when implemented in the spirit of HTTP, the Data Representation choices are negotiated between User Agent and a Server. Ideally, Transparent Content Negotiation and Quality of Service algorithms enable communicating parties to enumerate their Data Representation preferences etc.

Re. JSON (which is as generic as XML) you are talking about a specific JSON+OData (JSON notation for Atom+Feed+Ext used by OData) representation.

Anyway, our bridging of OData and RDF based Linked Data (in both directions) will make lots of issues much clear.

The great thing here is that we are ultimately going to be dealing REST-fully with a common underlying Data Model i.e. E-A-V Graph, over HTTP. This also means: the transition of Data Access Middleware from Logical Model Orientation to Conceptual Model Orientation is nearing completion, on a very broad scale :-)

Kingsley]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pablo,</p>
<p>Re. Content Negotiation, when implemented in the spirit of HTTP, the Data Representation choices are negotiated between User Agent and a Server. Ideally, Transparent Content Negotiation and Quality of Service algorithms enable communicating parties to enumerate their Data Representation preferences etc.</p>
<p>Re. JSON (which is as generic as XML) you are talking about a specific JSON+OData (JSON notation for Atom+Feed+Ext used by OData) representation.</p>
<p>Anyway, our bridging of OData and RDF based Linked Data (in both directions) will make lots of issues much clear.</p>
<p>The great thing here is that we are ultimately going to be dealing REST-fully with a common underlying Data Model i.e. E-A-V Graph, over HTTP. This also means: the transition of Data Access Middleware from Logical Model Orientation to Conceptual Model Orientation is nearing completion, on a very broad scale :-)</p>
<p>Kingsley</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo Castro</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-131971</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pablo Castro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that it should be perfectly possible to put an RDF head on top of an OData server with no loss of structure or semantics.

Note that OData does make use of HTTP content-type negotation, it&#039;s just that not all implementations make use of that feature. The spec as well as the OData implementation in .NET (WCF Data Services) support Atom and JSON formats, and those are selected using content-type negotation (client makes the choice using the accept header).

-pablo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it should be perfectly possible to put an RDF head on top of an OData server with no loss of structure or semantics.</p>
<p>Note that OData does make use of HTTP content-type negotation, it&#8217;s just that not all implementations make use of that feature. The spec as well as the OData implementation in .NET (WCF Data Services) support Atom and JSON formats, and those are selected using content-type negotation (client makes the choice using the accept header).</p>
<p>-pablo</p>
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		<title>By: Kingsley Idehen</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2010/01/29/odata-for-collaborative-sense-making/#comment-131970</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kingsley Idehen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon,

Here is a LINK that I should have added to one of my earlier responses. It basically demonstrates RDF based Linked Data views over the Northwind Demo DB Schema. Key point, courtesy of content negotiation and data representation independence, you can explore the EAV/CR graph from any browser. Now, if you compare this your links above, the data representation shortcoming should be clear i.e., OData links don&#039;t work with existing browsers .

Anyway, when we are done with our bridge for OData and RDF Linked Data you will be able to explore the EAV graphs from either realm using existing browsers :-)


Links:

1. http://demo.openlinksw.com/tutorial/Northwind/resource/Customer/ALFKI -- URI of Customer &quot;ALFKI&quot;

2. http://demo.openlinksw.com/tutorial/Northwind/resource/Order/10643 -- URI of an Order

3. http://dbpedia.org/resource/Berlin -- URI of a destination City for a shipment 

Kingsley]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Here is a LINK that I should have added to one of my earlier responses. It basically demonstrates RDF based Linked Data views over the Northwind Demo DB Schema. Key point, courtesy of content negotiation and data representation independence, you can explore the EAV/CR graph from any browser. Now, if you compare this your links above, the data representation shortcoming should be clear i.e., OData links don&#8217;t work with existing browsers .</p>
<p>Anyway, when we are done with our bridge for OData and RDF Linked Data you will be able to explore the EAV graphs from either realm using existing browsers :-)</p>
<p>Links:</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://demo.openlinksw.com/tutorial/Northwind/resource/Customer/ALFKI" rel="nofollow">http://demo.openlinksw.com/tutorial/Northwind/resource/Customer/ALFKI</a> &#8212; URI of Customer &#8220;ALFKI&#8221;</p>
<p>2. <a href="http://demo.openlinksw.com/tutorial/Northwind/resource/Order/10643" rel="nofollow">http://demo.openlinksw.com/tutorial/Northwind/resource/Order/10643</a> &#8212; URI of an Order</p>
<p>3. <a href="http://dbpedia.org/resource/Berlin" rel="nofollow">http://dbpedia.org/resource/Berlin</a> &#8212; URI of a destination City for a shipment </p>
<p>Kingsley</p>
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