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	<title>Comments on: Tinker to Evers to Chance, Tripit to Dopplr to Facebook</title>
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		<title>By: RT: Travel too much, Dopplr and Tripit</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-134581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RT: Travel too much, Dopplr and Tripit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 13:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] higher intelligence. Dopplr added ical subscription in 2008 which James Senior nailed, and Jon Udell shared thusly: Then I realized that Tripit publishes an iCalendar feed, and that Dopplr can subscribe to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] higher intelligence. Dopplr added ical subscription in 2008 which James Senior nailed, and Jon Udell shared thusly: Then I realized that Tripit publishes an iCalendar feed, and that Dopplr can subscribe to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Eckman</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Eckman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon - you need to read my blog more often. ;)

See http://www.openparenthesis.org/2008/03/06/tripit-to-dopplr-auomtation

which outlined how to link TripIt and Dopplr this way back in March of last year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon &#8211; you need to read my blog more often. ;)</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.openparenthesis.org/2008/03/06/tripit-to-dopplr-auomtation" rel="nofollow">http://www.openparenthesis.org/2008/03/06/tripit-to-dopplr-auomtation</a></p>
<p>which outlined how to link TripIt and Dopplr this way back in March of last year.</p>
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		<title>By: More on Missing Pipes</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129560</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More on Missing Pipes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] by dan The following is a comment I left on a post at Jon Udell&#8217;s blog about &#8220;rewiring the web&#8220;.  It outlines some of the ideas I have mentioned here, and one of the commenters mentioned [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by dan The following is a comment I left on a post at Jon Udell&#8217;s blog about &#8220;rewiring the web&#8220;.  It outlines some of the ideas I have mentioned here, and one of the commenters mentioned [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129540</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; _and_ possibly that there ought
&gt; to be an easy-to-guess URL for a site’s
&gt; main calendar feed (for example,
&gt; http://timswebsite.com/calfeed.xml ?)

Or, better, a discoverability hook analogous to: 

&lt;link rel=&quot;alternate&quot; type=&quot;application/rss+xml&quot; title=&quot;RSS 2.0&quot; href=&quot;http://blog.jonudell.net/feed/&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; _and_ possibly that there ought<br />
&gt; to be an easy-to-guess URL for a site’s<br />
&gt; main calendar feed (for example,<br />
&gt; <a href="http://timswebsite.com/calfeed.xml" rel="nofollow">http://timswebsite.com/calfeed.xml</a> ?)</p>
<p>Or, better, a discoverability hook analogous to: </p>
<p>&lt;link rel=&#8221;alternate&#8221; type=&#8221;application/rss+xml&#8221; title=&#8221;RSS 2.0&#8243; href=&#8221;http://blog.jonudell.net/feed/&#8221; /&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; The web architecture we know is 
&gt; underconstrained. 
&gt; The solution is not interchange standards,
&gt; but such an architectural shift.

I haven&#039;t tried Google Wave yet. But I wonder if the way I&#039;m using FriendFeed here -- http://friendfeed.com/elmcity -- points toward the architectural shift you envision.

I&#039;m working with people, namely curators for my project, and resources, namely calendar (ICS) feeds. Because I&#039;m also using delicious to curate the ICS feeds, and because I&#039;ve subscribed to the curatorial accounts on delicious from the elmcity room, there&#039;s a webhook-like alert mechanism. When a curator finds and adds a new ICS feed, the room hears about it via an RSS feed.

The relevant constraint here is: &quot;produces, and/or consumes, feeds&quot;.

The &quot;gadgets&quot; are services that obey that constraint.

The &quot;robots&quot; are services that aggregate/slice/recombine &quot;gadgets&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The web architecture we know is<br />
&gt; underconstrained.<br />
&gt; The solution is not interchange standards,<br />
&gt; but such an architectural shift.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tried Google Wave yet. But I wonder if the way I&#8217;m using FriendFeed here &#8212; <a href="http://friendfeed.com/elmcity" rel="nofollow">http://friendfeed.com/elmcity</a> &#8212; points toward the architectural shift you envision.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working with people, namely curators for my project, and resources, namely calendar (ICS) feeds. Because I&#8217;m also using delicious to curate the ICS feeds, and because I&#8217;ve subscribed to the curatorial accounts on delicious from the elmcity room, there&#8217;s a webhook-like alert mechanism. When a curator finds and adds a new ICS feed, the room hears about it via an RSS feed.</p>
<p>The relevant constraint here is: &#8220;produces, and/or consumes, feeds&#8221;.</p>
<p>The &#8220;gadgets&#8221; are services that obey that constraint.</p>
<p>The &#8220;robots&#8221; are services that aggregate/slice/recombine &#8220;gadgets&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129493</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some time ago I tried to get my CalConnect friends interested in developing a standardized icon for .ics files meaning &#039;you can add this item/collection of items to your calendar&#039;.  They had a lot of more important work to do at the time.  Now, it sounds like in addition to that idea, a standard icon is needed to show that there&#039;s a calendar feed at a particular location _and_ possibly that there ought to be an easy-to-guess URL for a site&#039;s main calendar feed (for example, http://timswebsite.com/calfeed.xml ?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some time ago I tried to get my CalConnect friends interested in developing a standardized icon for .ics files meaning &#8216;you can add this item/collection of items to your calendar&#8217;.  They had a lot of more important work to do at the time.  Now, it sounds like in addition to that idea, a standard icon is needed to show that there&#8217;s a calendar feed at a particular location _and_ possibly that there ought to be an easy-to-guess URL for a site&#8217;s main calendar feed (for example, <a href="http://timswebsite.com/calfeed.xml" rel="nofollow">http://timswebsite.com/calfeed.xml</a> ?)</p>
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		<title>By: The web as platform: Making connections</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The web as platform: Making connections]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Udell, as always, has a very insightful post about the web and the connections that we can make (or can&#8217;t make). He talks about web [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Udell, as always, has a very insightful post about the web and the connections that we can make (or can&#8217;t make). He talks about web [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Thomas</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129478</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consider Google Wave ...

In a wave you bring together a problem and some people. They can write about solutions and they can add gadgets and robots that help.

A gadget is any useful snippet of the web.
A robot is any useful software function.

Specific sets of gadgets plus robots solve the problem and are then useful elsewhere, as parts and whole.

Standards for wiring will emerge from hacks in the ecosystem of these component parts. The strategic move is shift to a standard frame for making modules.

The web architecture we know is underconstrained. The solution is not interchange standards, but such an architectural shift.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider Google Wave &#8230;</p>
<p>In a wave you bring together a problem and some people. They can write about solutions and they can add gadgets and robots that help.</p>
<p>A gadget is any useful snippet of the web.<br />
A robot is any useful software function.</p>
<p>Specific sets of gadgets plus robots solve the problem and are then useful elsewhere, as parts and whole.</p>
<p>Standards for wiring will emerge from hacks in the ecosystem of these component parts. The strategic move is shift to a standard frame for making modules.</p>
<p>The web architecture we know is underconstrained. The solution is not interchange standards, but such an architectural shift.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen &#187; Biweekly links for 07/17/2009</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129477</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Nielsen &#187; Biweekly links for 07/17/2009]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Wiring the web « Jon Udell [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wiring the web « Jon Udell [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Thomson</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie Thomson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[d_2,
Interesting point. People often compare the now defunct Microsoft Popfly to Yahoo Pipes but to me they were complimentary rather than comparable because of one fundamental difference - with Yahoo Pipes the &quot;processing&quot; happened in a Yahoo datacenter, with Popfly it happened on your client as an AJAX application.

Now, even though Popfly has disappeared (or will do), anyone that built a Popfly mashup and &quot;installed&quot; it will continue to be able to use that mashup. This fits with your scenario of Yahoo Pipes disappearing.

Of course, there were other problems that caused Popfly to fail but at its core it was an interesting idea which was wholly decentralised and that is an important facet. Shame really.

-Jamie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d_2,<br />
Interesting point. People often compare the now defunct Microsoft Popfly to Yahoo Pipes but to me they were complimentary rather than comparable because of one fundamental difference &#8211; with Yahoo Pipes the &#8220;processing&#8221; happened in a Yahoo datacenter, with Popfly it happened on your client as an AJAX application.</p>
<p>Now, even though Popfly has disappeared (or will do), anyone that built a Popfly mashup and &#8220;installed&#8221; it will continue to be able to use that mashup. This fits with your scenario of Yahoo Pipes disappearing.</p>
<p>Of course, there were other problems that caused Popfly to fail but at its core it was an interesting idea which was wholly decentralised and that is an important facet. Shame really.</p>
<p>-Jamie</p>
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		<title>By: PineHall</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129470</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PineHall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes that did sound interesting.  I remember the announcement.  Unfortunately I now get login needed pages or blank pages for the most of the links.  That does not help promote it.  It dampens my curiosity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes that did sound interesting.  I remember the announcement.  Unfortunately I now get login needed pages or blank pages for the most of the links.  That does not help promote it.  It dampens my curiosity.</p>
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		<title>By: d_2</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[d_2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i love this wiring the web idea, but i&#039;m getting concerned about where the wires themselves are stored.

what if your dopplr or tripit or yahoo pipes or whatever you are using goes away unexpectedly?  this could break a lot of stuff you have built.  

it might take forever to restore things to a working state, particularly if you relied heavily on one service.

here&#039;s what i think might solve this problem:
you log in to yahoo pipes and design a filter that takes feed A and creates feed B.

rather than the filter being stored at yahoo, the pipes create a small object that you can add to your website (or wherever) that performs that functionality.  all that is needed now is for feed A to continue to exist. 

now, yahoo pipes suddenly disappears, to be replaced by google hoses.  you still have that one piece of functionality you created with the pipes, which still works since you didn&#039;t store it at yahoo.  

this would give you time to switch to google hoses for new filters, while old filters continued to work (and might even be able to be imported into google hoses for future editing)

so the filters get stored with your data -- after all, you spent time creating them, so they are sort of a type of meta-data, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love this wiring the web idea, but i&#8217;m getting concerned about where the wires themselves are stored.</p>
<p>what if your dopplr or tripit or yahoo pipes or whatever you are using goes away unexpectedly?  this could break a lot of stuff you have built.  </p>
<p>it might take forever to restore things to a working state, particularly if you relied heavily on one service.</p>
<p>here&#8217;s what i think might solve this problem:<br />
you log in to yahoo pipes and design a filter that takes feed A and creates feed B.</p>
<p>rather than the filter being stored at yahoo, the pipes create a small object that you can add to your website (or wherever) that performs that functionality.  all that is needed now is for feed A to continue to exist. </p>
<p>now, yahoo pipes suddenly disappears, to be replaced by google hoses.  you still have that one piece of functionality you created with the pipes, which still works since you didn&#8217;t store it at yahoo.  </p>
<p>this would give you time to switch to google hoses for new filters, while old filters continued to work (and might even be able to be imported into google hoses for future editing)</p>
<p>so the filters get stored with your data &#8212; after all, you spent time creating them, so they are sort of a type of meta-data, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Thomson</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/07/16/tinker-to-evers-to-chance-tripit-to-dopplr-to-facebook/#comment-129465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie Thomson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. I really hoped that Live Clipboard would be a* means to do this but sadly not. I got an update from Ray Ozzie himself recently as to the current status of Live Clipboard and shared it here:

Whatever happened to Live Clipboard? 
(http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson/archive/2009/05/27/whatever-happened-to-live-clipboard.aspx)

-Jamie

*(not &#039;the&#039;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. I really hoped that Live Clipboard would be a* means to do this but sadly not. I got an update from Ray Ozzie himself recently as to the current status of Live Clipboard and shared it here:</p>
<p>Whatever happened to Live Clipboard?<br />
(<a href="http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson/archive/2009/05/27/whatever-happened-to-live-clipboard.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.conchango.com/jamiethomson/archive/2009/05/27/whatever-happened-to-live-clipboard.aspx</a>)</p>
<p>-Jamie</p>
<p>*(not &#8216;the&#8217;)</p>
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