Comments on: Talking with Joan Peckham about computational thinking http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/ Strategies for Internet citizens Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:40:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Think like the web or even like Jon Udell | Life's simple, why change it? http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-177528 Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:06:26 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-177528 [...] and describe the principles I want people to learn and apply. I’ve used the terms computational thinking, Fourth R principles, and most recently Mark Surman’s evocative thinking like the [...]

]]> By: Seven ways to think like the web at techandsoc.com http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-147255 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:40:49 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-147255 [...] and describe the principles I want people to learn and apply. I’ve used the terms computational thinking, Fourth R principles, and most recently Mark Surman’s evocative thinking like the [...]

]]> By: Seven ways to think like the web « Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-147220 Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:10:41 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-147220 [...] describe the principles I want people to learn and apply. I’ve used the terms computational thinking, Fourth R principles, and most recently Mark Surman’s evocative thinking like the [...]

]]> By: The New Literacy « Synthesis http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-132624 Tue, 23 Mar 2010 02:21:00 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-132624 [...] shouldn’t be a badge of membership in a separate tribe. In conversations with Jeannette Wing and Joan Peckham I’ve explored the idea that what they and others call computational thinking is a form of [...]

]]> By: A geek anti-manifesto « Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-132418 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:10:36 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-132418 [...] be a badge of membership in a separate tribe. In conversations with Jeannette Wing and Joan Peckham I’ve explored the idea that what they and others call computational thinking is a form of [...]

]]> By: Science in the Open » Blog Archive » Sci – Bar – Foo etc. Part II – SciFoo – Engaging with the world http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-132053 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:45:15 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-132053 [...] applicable beyond computing per se. For more on the background to this you can checkout John Udell interviewing Joan on his Interviews with Innovators podcast. The point for me was to try and understand how I can [...]

]]> By: links for 2009-08-02 « Boskabout http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-129732 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:03:21 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-129732 [...] Talking with Joan Peckham about computational thinking « Jon Udell "When Phil Windley pointed me to Jeannette Wing’s manifesto on computational thinking, she had me at hello. The intellectual tools of computer science, she argues — including the ability to work at multiple levels of abstraction, to automate repetitive processes, and to make and use state machines — are really “a universally applicable attitude and skill set that everyone, not just computer scientists, would be eager to learn and use.” " [...]

]]> By: Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-129730 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:00:57 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-129730 > This is not to say that we can’t grab
> useful terms and concepts from software
> analysis and design, but let’s also grab
> from natural processes, engineering, and
> elsewhere.

I agree. But don’t know what name will capture all of that, plus the key new ingredient of massive interconnectivity and all that flows from that.

And if part of the goal is to rally an educational movement, there does need to be a good name.

]]> By: Interessantes woanders (2009.08.02) › Immersion I/O http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-129721 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:34:46 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-129721 [...] Talking with Joan Peckham about computational thinking « Jon Udell [...]

]]> By: Reid Albecker http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-129720 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:55:04 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-129720 What we are talking about here is simply modeling. Process modeling. System modeling. System analysis. Design analysis. Engineering. I would never refer to it as computational thinking–what is the point? It would be one thing to say we can look at things in terms of a software development model, but to coin a phrase “computational thinking” is noisy and clutters up the language without adding anything. Time to take out Occam’s razor and kill it right here.

Better to think in terms of systems modeling, which can be applied universally, rather than trying to force-fit systems modeling into how an academic may view software design processes. This is not to say that we can’t grab useful terms and concepts from software analysis and design, but let’s also grab from natural processes, engineering, and elsewhere.

Ideally the goal is to facilitate the mindset of a developer in students. But a developer can be a software developer, a business developer, a product developer, a service developer, a land developer, etc. A developer does systems analysis and design with respect to their current project, whatever that may be.

]]> By: Pedro M. Rosario Barbosa (prosario2000) 's status on Saturday, 01-Aug-09 15:37:24 UTC - Identi.ca http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-129718 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:37:33 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-129718 [...] http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/ [...]

]]> By: Science in the open » Sci - Bar - Foo etc. Part II - SciFoo - Engaging with the world http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-129483 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:58:58 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-129483 [...] applicable beyond computing per se. For more on the background to this you can checkout John Udell interviewing Joan on his Interviews with Innovators podcast. The point for me was to try and understand how I can [...]

]]> By: Laura Dussault http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-127615 Mon, 18 May 2009 11:48:56 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-127615 The honey bee example is definitely how our schools should be teaching. The teacher may have indirectly introduced computational thinking but some students will have the ‘ah ha’ moment further on in their learning. Computational thinking is a model for problem solving and would benefit children today.

]]> By: knuck http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-127593 Wed, 13 May 2009 16:48:11 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-127593 Read Stystem dynamic from System Engg.

]]> By: Eric http://blog.jonudell.net/2009/05/04/talking-with-joan-peckham-about-computational-thinking/#comment-127546 Thu, 07 May 2009 21:34:50 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/?p=1500#comment-127546 I think “systems thinking” captures both the computational and communication aspects.

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