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		<title>By: The web as platform: Making connections</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-129491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The web as platform: Making connections]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] not Jon&#8217;s point. His point is that he missed that this could be done, mostly because &#8220;wiring the web&#8220; is rather obscure and abstract, and if Jon finds it obscure where does it leave mere mortals [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not Jon&#8217;s point. His point is that he missed that this could be done, mostly because &#8220;wiring the web&#8220; is rather obscure and abstract, and if Jon finds it obscure where does it leave mere mortals [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tinker to Evers to Chance, Tripit to Dopplr to Facebook &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-129464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tinker to Evers to Chance, Tripit to Dopplr to Facebook &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] wiring the web is still too abstract, too convoluted, and too non-obvious &#8212; even, sometimes, for [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wiring the web is still too abstract, too convoluted, and too non-obvious &#8212; even, sometimes, for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jon garito</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-128684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jon garito]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent writing Jon.

I enjoyed the famous aphorism:

&quot;Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of indirection.&quot; 

Keep up the great work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent writing Jon.</p>
<p>I enjoyed the famous aphorism:</p>
<p>&#8220;Any problem in computer science can be solved with another layer of indirection.&#8221; </p>
<p>Keep up the great work.</p>
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		<title>By: Roman Stanek</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-126150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roman Stanek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;regular folks are not (yet) taught the basics of computational thinking&quot; How can we expect regular users to understand concepts that are difficult even for the IT architects. Otherwise we wouldn&#039;t see &quot;ESBs&quot; anymore -- they would be coordinating event feeds instead...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;regular folks are not (yet) taught the basics of computational thinking&#8221; How can we expect regular users to understand concepts that are difficult even for the IT architects. Otherwise we wouldn&#8217;t see &#8220;ESBs&#8221; anymore &#8212; they would be coordinating event feeds instead&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-126089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Reynolds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice post. Thank you for the info. Keep it up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post. Thank you for the info. Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Wuorio</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-126087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Wuorio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.authorwire.com/h/memory.html

I suggest that you look up Howard Mansfield who lives in the Keene area. He sounds like some of the authors that you have interviewed in the past. He would be an interesting person to  interview. 

I especially liked &quot;In the Memory House&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.authorwire.com/h/memory.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.authorwire.com/h/memory.html</a></p>
<p>I suggest that you look up Howard Mansfield who lives in the Keene area. He sounds like some of the authors that you have interviewed in the past. He would be an interesting person to  interview. </p>
<p>I especially liked &#8220;In the Memory House&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jakew : Reading for 2008-12-05</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jakew : Reading for 2008-12-05]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-126070</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Maybe we don’t seem to have a compelling or grokkable pub/sub model because the idea and practice of pub/sub is beyond most people’s idea of personal agency or potency.&quot;

I do think that&#039;s an important part of it.
Action-at-a-distance is unexpected. &quot;I do this, here, and that happens over there?&quot;

&quot;But it’s also an opportunity for a broad platform of education in the area of personal agency.&quot;

Absolutely agree that&#039;s one leg of the stool. The second is, indeed, a way of giving people an experience they can grok and then generalize from. I think Facebook comes closest to giving the experience -- my actions have observable ripple effects in the network -- but FB does not, yet, provide  the intellectual or human/computer tools to generalize from that.

The third leg of the stool is...I dunno. Any takers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe we don’t seem to have a compelling or grokkable pub/sub model because the idea and practice of pub/sub is beyond most people’s idea of personal agency or potency.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do think that&#8217;s an important part of it.<br />
Action-at-a-distance is unexpected. &#8220;I do this, here, and that happens over there?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But it’s also an opportunity for a broad platform of education in the area of personal agency.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely agree that&#8217;s one leg of the stool. The second is, indeed, a way of giving people an experience they can grok and then generalize from. I think Facebook comes closest to giving the experience &#8212; my actions have observable ripple effects in the network &#8212; but FB does not, yet, provide  the intellectual or human/computer tools to generalize from that.</p>
<p>The third leg of the stool is&#8230;I dunno. Any takers?</p>
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		<title>By: Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gardner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I keep puzzling whether that user-grokkable model will be an HCI affordance of some kind or, as I strongly suspect, a cultural urgency or cultural affordance. Maybe we don&#039;t seem to have a compelling or grokkable pub/sub model because the idea and practice of pub/sub is beyond most people&#039;s idea of personal agency or potency. That&#039;s a shame, given that we&#039;re at least nominally living in a democracy! But it&#039;s also an opportunity for a broad platform of education in the area of personal agency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep puzzling whether that user-grokkable model will be an HCI affordance of some kind or, as I strongly suspect, a cultural urgency or cultural affordance. Maybe we don&#8217;t seem to have a compelling or grokkable pub/sub model because the idea and practice of pub/sub is beyond most people&#8217;s idea of personal agency or potency. That&#8217;s a shame, given that we&#8217;re at least nominally living in a democracy! But it&#8217;s also an opportunity for a broad platform of education in the area of personal agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Garito</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-126068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garito]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice, man, nice!
I&#039;m glad to find people that thinks like me: as simple as I can

When I see how much lines of code has only the linux kernel I put the hair-raising

We spend 50 of the human story putting layers of problems (instead of indirection) to computer sciences

It&#039;s time to change our point of view

I&#039;m sorry but my work in this direction is explained in spanish (my language) but perhaps you could try it with google translator (there&#039;s a link in my page for your convenience)

I work with something I call Yanged (there&#039;s a category in my weblog)

I put your rss file to my lifearea, thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, man, nice!<br />
I&#8217;m glad to find people that thinks like me: as simple as I can</p>
<p>When I see how much lines of code has only the linux kernel I put the hair-raising</p>
<p>We spend 50 of the human story putting layers of problems (instead of indirection) to computer sciences</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to change our point of view</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry but my work in this direction is explained in spanish (my language) but perhaps you could try it with google translator (there&#8217;s a link in my page for your convenience)</p>
<p>I work with something I call Yanged (there&#8217;s a category in my weblog)</p>
<p>I put your rss file to my lifearea, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-126065</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why don’t they publish the fixtures as a subscribable calendar?&quot;

Partly because, as Ray Ozzie aptly noted in that excerpt above, there is no user-grokkable model for pub/sub.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why don’t they publish the fixtures as a subscribable calendar?&#8221;</p>
<p>Partly because, as Ray Ozzie aptly noted in that excerpt above, there is no user-grokkable model for pub/sub.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Thomson</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-126064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie Thomson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cool, thanks.

Good luck with your community calendar efforts by the way. I&#039;m actively trying to encourage the same where I live. It annoys me no end that I have to go to my football(i.e. soccer) team&#039;s website to see when their next game is. Why don&#039;t they publish the fixtures as a subscribable calendar?

regards
Jamie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cool, thanks.</p>
<p>Good luck with your community calendar efforts by the way. I&#8217;m actively trying to encourage the same where I live. It annoys me no end that I have to go to my football(i.e. soccer) team&#8217;s website to see when their next game is. Why don&#8217;t they publish the fixtures as a subscribable calendar?</p>
<p>regards<br />
Jamie</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-126062</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; not a publicly available resource

I know. It used to be, though:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060807225324/http://rayozzie.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!FB3017FBB9B2E142!285.entry 

Key quote:

&quot;Where’s the user model that would enable a user to copy and paste structured information from one website to another?
 
Where’s the user model that would enable a user to copy and paste structured information from a website to an application running on a PC or other kind of device, or vice-versa?
 
And finally, where’s the user model that would enable a user to “wire the web”, by enabling publish-and-subscribe scenarios web-to-web, or web-to-PC?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; not a publicly available resource</p>
<p>I know. It used to be, though:</p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20060807225324/http://rayozzie.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!FB3017FBB9B2E142!285.entry" rel="nofollow">http://web.archive.org/web/20060807225324/http://rayozzie.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!FB3017FBB9B2E142!285.entry</a> </p>
<p>Key quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Where’s the user model that would enable a user to copy and paste structured information from one website to another?</p>
<p>Where’s the user model that would enable a user to copy and paste structured information from a website to an application running on a PC or other kind of device, or vice-versa?</p>
<p>And finally, where’s the user model that would enable a user to “wire the web”, by enabling publish-and-subscribe scenarios web-to-web, or web-to-PC?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Thomson</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/12/04/wiring-the-web-redux/#comment-126061</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie Thomson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,
The link to http://rayozzie.spaces.live.com doesn&#039;t work (not a publicly available resource) so you might need to paraphrase.

-Jamie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
The link to <a href="http://rayozzie.spaces.live.com" rel="nofollow">http://rayozzie.spaces.live.com</a> doesn&#8217;t work (not a publicly available resource) so you might need to paraphrase.</p>
<p>-Jamie</p>
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