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	<title>Comments on: Celebrating iCalendar&#8217;s 10th anniversary: The best is yet to come</title>
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		<title>By: Useful feedback from old friends and new friends &#124; Tech-monkey.info Blogs</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-127712</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] up to the task of the wonder collaboration of tomorrow?&#8221; It&#8217;s true that iCalendar is a decade-old standard which has never rocked the Internet, and maybe never will. But one-way? That limitation [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up to the task of the wonder collaboration of tomorrow?&#8221; It&#8217;s true that iCalendar is a decade-old standard which has never rocked the Internet, and maybe never will. But one-way? That limitation [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Useful feedback from old friends and new friends &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-127710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Useful feedback from old friends and new friends &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] up to the task of the wonder collaboration of tomorrow?&#8221; It&#8217;s true that iCalendar is a decade-old standard which has never rocked the Internet, and maybe never will. But one-way? That limitation [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up to the task of the wonder collaboration of tomorrow?&#8221; It&#8217;s true that iCalendar is a decade-old standard which has never rocked the Internet, and maybe never will. But one-way? That limitation [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aggregating Google Calendars at bavatuesdays</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-126053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aggregating Google Calendars at bavatuesdays]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] issue has finally come to bear in helping us think it through. The excerpt below is from his post &#8220;Celebrating iCalendar&#8217;s 10th Anniversary: The best is yet to come&#8221;: Although iCalendar has been around for a decade, I argue that the confluence of syndication and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] issue has finally come to bear in helping us think it through. The excerpt below is from his post &#8220;Celebrating iCalendar&#8217;s 10th Anniversary: The best is yet to come&#8221;: Although iCalendar has been around for a decade, I argue that the confluence of syndication and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Mine! project &#187; Feeds, feeds everywhere</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Mine! project &#187; Feeds, feeds everywhere]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] John Udell for the other side of the feed divide: &#8230;you need feed aggregators. These proliferate in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] John Udell for the other side of the feed divide: &#8230;you need feed aggregators. These proliferate in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; http://www.textbox1.com/apps/rss-to-ical/

Thanks for the pointer. What flavors of RSS representation of calendars does it support?

It&#039;s also interesting that you&#039;ve done this using RSSBus. I interviewed the company&#039;s founder, Gent Hito, here: http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/05/05/a-conversation-with-gent-hito-about-rssbus-and-the-data-web/

Love the concept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; <a href="http://www.textbox1.com/apps/rss-to-ical/" rel="nofollow">http://www.textbox1.com/apps/rss-to-ical/</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the pointer. What flavors of RSS representation of calendars does it support?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting that you&#8217;ve done this using RSSBus. I interviewed the company&#8217;s founder, Gent Hito, here: <a href="http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/05/05/a-conversation-with-gent-hito-about-rssbus-and-the-data-web/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/05/05/a-conversation-with-gent-hito-about-rssbus-and-the-data-web/</a></p>
<p>Love the concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125567</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; http://www.textbox1.com/apps/rss-to-ical/

Thanks for the pointer. What flavors of RSS representation of calendars does it support?

It&#039;s also interesting that you&#039;ve done this using RSSBus. I interviewed the company&#039;s founder, Gent Hito, here: http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/05/05/a-conversation-with-gent-hito-about-rssbus-and-the-data-web/

Love the concept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; <a href="http://www.textbox1.com/apps/rss-to-ical/" rel="nofollow">http://www.textbox1.com/apps/rss-to-ical/</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the pointer. What flavors of RSS representation of calendars does it support?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting that you&#8217;ve done this using RSSBus. I interviewed the company&#8217;s founder, Gent Hito, here: <a href="http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/05/05/a-conversation-with-gent-hito-about-rssbus-and-the-data-web/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/05/05/a-conversation-with-gent-hito-about-rssbus-and-the-data-web/</a></p>
<p>Love the concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125565</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have found several instances where and icalendar should have been used, but rss with future dates was used instead.  So...I created a little service to convert from rss to ical for me.  I put this service at www.textbox1.com/apps/rss-to-ical/.  Feel free to use it if you also have such a need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found several instances where and icalendar should have been used, but rss with future dates was used instead.  So&#8230;I created a little service to convert from rss to ical for me.  I put this service at <a href="http://www.textbox1.com/apps/rss-to-ical/" rel="nofollow">http://www.textbox1.com/apps/rss-to-ical/</a>.  Feel free to use it if you also have such a need.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Burcham</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125564</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Burcham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Portland we have Calagator http://calagator.org, a community Open Source project, to aggregate all our regional technology event calendars.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Portland we have Calagator <a href="http://calagator.org" rel="nofollow">http://calagator.org</a>, a community Open Source project, to aggregate all our regional technology event calendars.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125560</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that would help would be a plug-in that worked like this:

1. I select one or more calendar items in my calendar program of choice (Say, Outlook)

2. I choose &quot;publish as .ics to Web&quot; and it creates an .ics file for each event, one for all the selected events, and either an XHTML page, &quot;pure&quot; XML page, or a feed  which references them.  During the publication process a stylesheet can be chosen or created.

If it&#039;s _easy_ to publish calendar events to a web page or blog, without having to understand the underlying standard for the data, then more people will do it. I believe vCard (with the same basic origins as iCalendar) has overcome this hurdle, so iCalendar should be able to do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that would help would be a plug-in that worked like this:</p>
<p>1. I select one or more calendar items in my calendar program of choice (Say, Outlook)</p>
<p>2. I choose &#8220;publish as .ics to Web&#8221; and it creates an .ics file for each event, one for all the selected events, and either an XHTML page, &#8220;pure&#8221; XML page, or a feed  which references them.  During the publication process a stylesheet can be chosen or created.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s _easy_ to publish calendar events to a web page or blog, without having to understand the underlying standard for the data, then more people will do it. I believe vCard (with the same basic origins as iCalendar) has overcome this hurdle, so iCalendar should be able to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125559</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; I really think email, calendar, and to-do 
&gt; lists work better in the cloud, at least 
&gt; for me.

Absolutely. Almost every app benefits from both cloud storage, and cloud-based deployment.

What&#039;s hard to convey to people, whether or not the interactive piece of the calendar app is cloud- or client-based, is that the data has to be cloud-based so that syndicated network effects can occur.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I really think email, calendar, and to-do<br />
&gt; lists work better in the cloud, at least<br />
&gt; for me.</p>
<p>Absolutely. Almost every app benefits from both cloud storage, and cloud-based deployment.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s hard to convey to people, whether or not the interactive piece of the calendar app is cloud- or client-based, is that the data has to be cloud-based so that syndicated network effects can occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125558</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the heads-up, I wasn&#039;t aware and would like to speak w/Chuck.

Regarding:

&gt; The iCalendar specification grew out of a
&gt; need for interdepartmental and 
&gt; inter-company scheduling, and does not
&gt; have adequate support for events 
&gt; intended for a public audience.

This reminds me eerily of the RSS wars that produced so much heat and so little light. Yes, RSS was &quot;underspecified&quot;. And yes, Atom now is (justifiably) ascendant. But no perceived or actual limitations of RSS prevented it from spreading the meme of personal-publishing-plus-syndication. Nor do any such limitations account for the failure of that meme to fully propagate.

To me, in these respects, iCalendar is very analogous to RSS. Committee work can and should be done, but iCalendar&#039;s perceived or actual limitations are not the critical bottleneck for public calendaring We need to propagate the personal-publishing-plus-syndication meme in  the calendar domain. Most of the necessary ingredients are in place, and the key missing one -- aggregation services -- can be layered onto the existing deployed standard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the heads-up, I wasn&#8217;t aware and would like to speak w/Chuck.</p>
<p>Regarding:</p>
<p>&gt; The iCalendar specification grew out of a<br />
&gt; need for interdepartmental and<br />
&gt; inter-company scheduling, and does not<br />
&gt; have adequate support for events<br />
&gt; intended for a public audience.</p>
<p>This reminds me eerily of the RSS wars that produced so much heat and so little light. Yes, RSS was &#8220;underspecified&#8221;. And yes, Atom now is (justifiably) ascendant. But no perceived or actual limitations of RSS prevented it from spreading the meme of personal-publishing-plus-syndication. Nor do any such limitations account for the failure of that meme to fully propagate.</p>
<p>To me, in these respects, iCalendar is very analogous to RSS. Committee work can and should be done, but iCalendar&#8217;s perceived or actual limitations are not the critical bottleneck for public calendaring We need to propagate the personal-publishing-plus-syndication meme in  the calendar domain. Most of the necessary ingredients are in place, and the key missing one &#8212; aggregation services &#8212; can be layered onto the existing deployed standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125557</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may laready know this, but as far as number 3 goes, this is a specific concern of a Technical Commitee within CalConnect that Eventful is leading. See:

http://www.calconnect.org/tc-eventpub.shtml for more info.

Chuck may be able to give you more info. He is at least a good person to talk to about this area.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may laready know this, but as far as number 3 goes, this is a specific concern of a Technical Commitee within CalConnect that Eventful is leading. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.calconnect.org/tc-eventpub.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.calconnect.org/tc-eventpub.shtml</a> for more info.</p>
<p>Chuck may be able to give you more info. He is at least a good person to talk to about this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Lea</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/10/13/celebrating-icalendars-10th-anniversary-the-best-is-yet-to-come/#comment-125555</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy Lea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope I have the right Jon this time, not the sports guy!

I have been playing with the scheduling/calendar app Remind lately, which I really like. My issue with it is that its not in the cloud. I really think email, calendar, and to-do lists work better in the cloud, at least for me. 

I like Remind because it can let me do things on my machine (Ubuntu), and its smarter about setting events. I could give up on the capability to do things on my machine, I can always just use Remind for that, but I really don&#039;t want to give up having my calendar/to-do list in the cloud and they really aren&#039;t the same thing. 

I think my ideal calendar app in the cloud would be Python based, where each event is stored in a Python dictionary, or a function that returns a dictionary when passed a date. Simple events can be entered with the GUI, like existing calendars, but it would be nice to be able to write a function to allow complex entries. 

So for now, I&#039;m stuck using GCal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I have the right Jon this time, not the sports guy!</p>
<p>I have been playing with the scheduling/calendar app Remind lately, which I really like. My issue with it is that its not in the cloud. I really think email, calendar, and to-do lists work better in the cloud, at least for me. </p>
<p>I like Remind because it can let me do things on my machine (Ubuntu), and its smarter about setting events. I could give up on the capability to do things on my machine, I can always just use Remind for that, but I really don&#8217;t want to give up having my calendar/to-do list in the cloud and they really aren&#8217;t the same thing. </p>
<p>I think my ideal calendar app in the cloud would be Python based, where each event is stored in a Python dictionary, or a function that returns a dictionary when passed a date. Simple events can be entered with the GUI, like existing calendars, but it would be nice to be able to write a function to allow complex entries. </p>
<p>So for now, I&#8217;m stuck using GCal.</p>
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