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		<title>By: a person on the web &#171; Kris Bradley&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/09/08/annotating-dns-with-personal-information/#comment-125519</link>
		<dc:creator>a person on the web &#171; Kris Bradley&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wondered, why doesn&#8217;t Telnic support the semantic web standard?  See Annotating DNS with personal information, where Jon Udell touched on that question. Henri Asseily, Telnic&#8217;s Chief Strategist, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wondered, why doesn&#8217;t Telnic support the semantic web standard?  See Annotating DNS with personal information, where Jon Udell touched on that question. Henri Asseily, Telnic&#8217;s Chief Strategist, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/09/08/annotating-dns-with-personal-information/#comment-125305</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Udell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarifications, Henri.

&gt; Let’s say I have a foaf.xml 
&gt; document somewhere at
&gt; xxx.com/aaa/me.xml. How (1) do I
&gt; tell people that it’s there, (2)
&gt; know that it adheres to foaf and 
&gt; (3)make it accessible and parseable
&gt; quickly by a gprs phone?

It could all be done but your points are very well taken and thought-provoking. Fewer moving parts, less indirection, Do The Simplest Thing That Could Possibly Work.

Now, for most people and even many programmers, a web-style interaction will seem simplest. But if that abstraction is done cleanly and universally, then fine!

Very interesting idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarifications, Henri.</p>
<p>&gt; Let’s say I have a foaf.xml<br />
&gt; document somewhere at<br />
&gt; xxx.com/aaa/me.xml. How (1) do I<br />
&gt; tell people that it’s there, (2)<br />
&gt; know that it adheres to foaf and<br />
&gt; (3)make it accessible and parseable<br />
&gt; quickly by a gprs phone?</p>
<p>It could all be done but your points are very well taken and thought-provoking. Fewer moving parts, less indirection, Do The Simplest Thing That Could Possibly Work.</p>
<p>Now, for most people and even many programmers, a web-style interaction will seem simplest. But if that abstraction is done cleanly and universally, then fine!</p>
<p>Very interesting idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Asseily</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/09/08/annotating-dns-with-personal-information/#comment-125301</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Asseily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jon,
if I may, let me first add a few precisions:
You don&#039;t need to manage your data by a web-based console. Most people will probably do it that way through their registrar or service provider&#039;s portal, but it can be done in other ways: through a SOAP API that&#039;s required to be standard for any provider, or even if you&#039;re technically enclined, directly by modifying the DNS zonefile.

Web-based conventions can provide the same data structures as .tel, of course. (and making converters to-and-from .tel zonefiles would be trivial). Defining data structures to hold contact info is nothing new. But what web-based conventions can&#039;t do is make it very easy to discover and/or use this data. Let&#039;s say I have a foaf.xml document somewhere at xxx.com/aaa/me.xml. How  (1) do I tell people that it&#039;s there, (2) know that it adheres to foaf and (3) make it accessible and parseable quickly by a gprs phone?

I need to publish that info somewhere, and if it doesn&#039;t replace directly my other channels of communications, I need to also publish those as well. What we want to do is literally supersede every comm channel with the .tel. No more phone numbers, no more emails. Just a .tel where you make one DNS query and get what you need.

Why make a DNS query to get the ip of the server hosting the foaf doc, then make an html query to get the foaf doc, then parse the potentially overcomplicated xml file when you can stop in the first step of making a DNS query and instantly having what you need?
I&#039;d like to see in the future the ability to type &quot;johndoe&quot; or &quot;hertz&quot; on my phone dialpad and press the call button. That&#039;s much easier to remember than a string of numbers. Let the phone make a dns query to hertz.tel, and propose the few numbers there for me to choose from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jon,<br />
if I may, let me first add a few precisions:<br />
You don&#8217;t need to manage your data by a web-based console. Most people will probably do it that way through their registrar or service provider&#8217;s portal, but it can be done in other ways: through a SOAP API that&#8217;s required to be standard for any provider, or even if you&#8217;re technically enclined, directly by modifying the DNS zonefile.</p>
<p>Web-based conventions can provide the same data structures as .tel, of course. (and making converters to-and-from .tel zonefiles would be trivial). Defining data structures to hold contact info is nothing new. But what web-based conventions can&#8217;t do is make it very easy to discover and/or use this data. Let&#8217;s say I have a foaf.xml document somewhere at xxx.com/aaa/me.xml. How  (1) do I tell people that it&#8217;s there, (2) know that it adheres to foaf and (3) make it accessible and parseable quickly by a gprs phone?</p>
<p>I need to publish that info somewhere, and if it doesn&#8217;t replace directly my other channels of communications, I need to also publish those as well. What we want to do is literally supersede every comm channel with the .tel. No more phone numbers, no more emails. Just a .tel where you make one DNS query and get what you need.</p>
<p>Why make a DNS query to get the ip of the server hosting the foaf doc, then make an html query to get the foaf doc, then parse the potentially overcomplicated xml file when you can stop in the first step of making a DNS query and instantly having what you need?<br />
I&#8217;d like to see in the future the ability to type &#8220;johndoe&#8221; or &#8220;hertz&#8221; on my phone dialpad and press the call button. That&#8217;s much easier to remember than a string of numbers. Let the phone make a dns query to hertz.tel, and propose the few numbers there for me to choose from.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/09/08/annotating-dns-with-personal-information/#comment-125291</link>
		<dc:creator>Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the way MDNS service discovery works (what Appled calls Bonjour and used to call Rendezvous).  It works pretty well for certain situations. DNS is still vulnerable to some security issues, but at least there is going to be a lot of interest in solving or working around any problems in DNS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the way MDNS service discovery works (what Appled calls Bonjour and used to call Rendezvous).  It works pretty well for certain situations. DNS is still vulnerable to some security issues, but at least there is going to be a lot of interest in solving or working around any problems in DNS.</p>
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