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By: We're not stupid. We just find it difficult to focus sometimes… | Tiger Two

Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:30:15 +0000

[...] Carr concerning how the internet is changing the way we think and absorb information – some positive, some particularly negative. Without any actual scientific studies, the evidence for Carr’s [...]

By: Иван Милюков

Иван Милюков — Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:46:56 +0000

{Читаю {ваш|этот|} блог, и понимаю, что {ничего|нифига} не понимаю. Все так запутано. :)

By: Tyler Oderkirk’s Blog » Tulsa road trip day #2

Tyler Oderkirk’s Blog » Tulsa road trip day #2 — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:37:59 +0000

[...] After a ham sandwich lunch, I listenedtoJules Verne's Around theWorld in Eighty Days asrecommendedbyJohn Udell in an insightful piece about trying to sip fromthefirehose. [...]

By: Права на недвижимость, подлежащие государственной | Недвижимость в деталях

Права на недвижимость, подлежащие государственной | Недвижимость в деталях — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:35:30 +0000

[...] проживающими в нем членами семьи собственника (ст (A quiet retreat from the busy information commons Jo…). 292 ГК, ст. 31 [...]

By: branded strategies

branded strategies — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:50:19 +0000

[...] changing us. Not co-incidentally I read the essay in the printed magazine whose non-hypertextualityhttp://blog.jonudell.net/2008/06/10/a-quiet-retreat-from-the-busy-information-commons/Big plans, new horizons for Best Buy – Minneapolis Star Tribune&quotGeographically, they were all [...]

By: TigerTwoTiger » Blog Archive » We’re not stupid. We just find it difficult to focus sometimes…

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:24:08 +0000

By: Jon Udell

Jon Udell — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:58:59 +0000

> I think I’ll read more fiction when it
> stops feeling quite so much like the world
> is hanging in the balance

I understand and feel very much the same way.

On the other hand, my parents and grandparents lived through worse times than I’ve yet to experience. Arguably most people, in most places, and in most times, did too.

If we wait for that world-hanging-in-the-balance feeling to go away, we’ll probably wait forever.

By: Greg

Greg — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:23:11 +0000

Not to hog the thread here, but on the issue of fiction v. non-fiction (as separate from immersive v. CPA), I think there's more at play than just the rise of the web. We also live in more interesting times than we did a decade ago. When I see the Borges Collected Fictions on my night stand next to Shibley Telhami book on Arab identity or Alex Steffen's Worldchanging anthology, I have a hard justifying picking up the Borges even though it will certainly give me more pleasure. The others just seem more pressing, more urgent. I think I'll read more fiction when it stops feeling quite so much like the world is hanging in the balance with each morning's headlines...

By: Greg

Greg — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:10:00 +0000

Jon: This captures exactly how I've felt about reading for the last few years. Ever since the rise of podcasting, I've had more frequent immersive experiences with audio books (just finished Code of the Wooseters this morning) and amazing lectures (SALT and IT Conversations being common sources of these) than with physical books, though those do come too in occasional spurts where I'll end up spending a big part of a day reading all the way through something in a single sitting. On the other hand, I think I've also begun to have a new kind of immersive online reading experience. Not, as you say, necessarily a linear one with a long text, but often immersive nonetheless. Think of the deep wikipedia dives where you begin looking up something sensible and end up reading 1000 words about Esperanto profanity; or of discovering a new blog and then diving backwards through the archives reading post after post as you become acquainted with the author's voice; or even chasing down some technical topic you're trying to bootstrap yourself on: this reading may take you to dozens of sites across the web through hundreds of short articles and bits of documentation but the resulting technical 'textbook' is much richer and more compelling than most put together by a single author and bound in paper. Not all dead tree books are single-voiced and linear, but we don't think of those as being any less immersive. I think the same leeway should go for online reading.

By: Stupid’s Not Quite The Right Word… « extensions

Stupid’s Not Quite The Right Word… « extensions — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:38 +0000

[...] Carr points to a thoughtful response from Jon Udell. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Is Google Making Us Stupid?Article [...]

By: Scott Rosenberg’s Wordyard » Blog Archive » Nick Carr’s new knock on the Web: does it change how we read?

Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:17:29 +0000

[...] UPDATE: Jon Udell finds Carr’s critique “spot on.” [...]

By: Nick Carr: I hate the Internet, Vol. 7 » mathewingram.com/work |

Nick Carr: I hate the Internet, Vol. 7 » mathewingram.com/work | — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:10:27 +0000

[...] what it’s worth, Jon Udell seems to agree with Nick that his brain is being rewired somehow, and wonders whether that is a good thing or not [...]

By: Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media » Wednesday squibs

Notes from a Teacher: Mark on Media » Wednesday squibs — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:56:05 +0000

[...] Ingram, Blaise Alleyne, Scott Rosenberg; one who agrees with at least part of the argument, is Jon Udell.) I don’t find Carr’s argument particularly persuasive, but it’s a good, [...]

By: Eric

Eric — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:09:02 +0000

I find that if I don’t make the time to read non-technical, non-business related books (especially fiction and biography) on a regular basis, I become a very unhappy camper.