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		<title>By: That word &#8220;events&#8221;: It does not mean what you think it means &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-129815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[That word &#8220;events&#8221;: It does not mean what you think it means &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] already riffed on that classic bit in the titles of two other items. Now I&#8217;m compelled to do it again because when I talk about events, vis-a-vis the elmcity [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] already riffed on that classic bit in the titles of two other items. Now I&#8217;m compelled to do it again because when I talk about events, vis-a-vis the elmcity [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 01:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barn-raising gets at the lack of formal membership and the collaborative aspect, maybe. But there&#039;s still the flow to be considered.

Mosaic gets at the idea of small pieces forming something bigger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barn-raising gets at the lack of formal membership and the collaborative aspect, maybe. But there&#8217;s still the flow to be considered.</p>
<p>Mosaic gets at the idea of small pieces forming something bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 00:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; what is the itsy or bitsy service

bitzi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; what is the itsy or bitsy service</p>
<p>bitzi</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Shook</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123396</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Shook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is off topic but you&#039;ve not yet written the topic for this to be on, to wit, your conversation with Lucas Gonze: what is the itsy or bitsy service which provides a short unique identifier for the content of a file (if I understood correctly)? 

I haven&#039;t look tooo hard but I&#039;ve only found stuff about spiders.

Cheers-
-Michael]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is off topic but you&#8217;ve not yet written the topic for this to be on, to wit, your conversation with Lucas Gonze: what is the itsy or bitsy service which provides a short unique identifier for the content of a file (if I understood correctly)? </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t look tooo hard but I&#8217;ve only found stuff about spiders.</p>
<p>Cheers-<br />
-Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pooling is good in one way, being a familiar metaphor. But pools are supposed to stay put, not flow, and I really need to convey the idea of flow.

Here&#039;s a nice example from May 10:

07:30 PM Animaterra Women&#039;s Chorus Concert Benefits AVEO (aveo)
07:30 PM Animaterra Women&#039;s Chorus (eventful: Keene Unitarian Universalist Church)

When I first started seeing these kinds of duplicates, my instinct was to suppress them. But actually now I think that&#039;d be wrong. It&#039;s cool to see multiple sources reporting the same event. It demonstrates buzz, and triangulates on the event from different points of view.

In this case, the first entry comes from the aveo.org calendar which is (as of a few days ago) exporting iCal.

The second comes from Eventful:

http://eventful.com/events/keene/animaterra-womens-chorus-/E0-001-010080339-7#box-details

And it isn&#039;t one of the events I&#039;ve posted there to seed this process. It&#039;s organic. The fact that it says &quot;Posted by evdb&quot; tells me it came not from a registered individual user, but rather from an Eventful partner site. Namely:

http://www.newhampshire.com/calendar/details.aspx?eventID=10339&amp;eventDate=05/10/2008

This is a great example of kinds of network effects I&#039;m trying to illustrate. Animaterra promoted their event to NewHampshire.com, which syndicated to Eventful, and from there to elmcity.info, and from there to citizenkeene.ning.com and potentially elsewhere. 

Meanwhile AVEO, as a beneficiary of the event, promoted it on its own website, and that info was also syndicated, in this case directly to elmcity.info (and again, from there potentially elsewhere).

I want people to appreciate how things flow in syndication networks, how information can circulate without loss of fidelity, and why that&#039;s such a powerful way to spread a message.

The right word may help, and syndication may finally be the right word. But as with blogging, you can&#039;t really convey the network effects  to people until they put some skin in the game, and experience them happening w/respect to  their own stuff. Same here I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pooling is good in one way, being a familiar metaphor. But pools are supposed to stay put, not flow, and I really need to convey the idea of flow.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a nice example from May 10:</p>
<p>07:30 PM Animaterra Women&#8217;s Chorus Concert Benefits AVEO (aveo)<br />
07:30 PM Animaterra Women&#8217;s Chorus (eventful: Keene Unitarian Universalist Church)</p>
<p>When I first started seeing these kinds of duplicates, my instinct was to suppress them. But actually now I think that&#8217;d be wrong. It&#8217;s cool to see multiple sources reporting the same event. It demonstrates buzz, and triangulates on the event from different points of view.</p>
<p>In this case, the first entry comes from the aveo.org calendar which is (as of a few days ago) exporting iCal.</p>
<p>The second comes from Eventful:</p>
<p><a href="http://eventful.com/events/keene/animaterra-womens-chorus-/E0-001-010080339-7#box-details" rel="nofollow">http://eventful.com/events/keene/animaterra-womens-chorus-/E0-001-010080339-7#box-details</a></p>
<p>And it isn&#8217;t one of the events I&#8217;ve posted there to seed this process. It&#8217;s organic. The fact that it says &#8220;Posted by evdb&#8221; tells me it came not from a registered individual user, but rather from an Eventful partner site. Namely:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newhampshire.com/calendar/details.aspx?eventID=10339&#038;eventDate=05/10/2008" rel="nofollow">http://www.newhampshire.com/calendar/details.aspx?eventID=10339&#038;eventDate=05/10/2008</a></p>
<p>This is a great example of kinds of network effects I&#8217;m trying to illustrate. Animaterra promoted their event to NewHampshire.com, which syndicated to Eventful, and from there to elmcity.info, and from there to citizenkeene.ning.com and potentially elsewhere. </p>
<p>Meanwhile AVEO, as a beneficiary of the event, promoted it on its own website, and that info was also syndicated, in this case directly to elmcity.info (and again, from there potentially elsewhere).</p>
<p>I want people to appreciate how things flow in syndication networks, how information can circulate without loss of fidelity, and why that&#8217;s such a powerful way to spread a message.</p>
<p>The right word may help, and syndication may finally be the right word. But as with blogging, you can&#8217;t really convey the network effects  to people until they put some skin in the game, and experience them happening w/respect to  their own stuff. Same here I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vertonghen</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123377</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Vertonghen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Pooling&quot; maybe? I&#039;ve been working on something similar for a couple of years now and called it OnePool (and since forever in closed alfa at onepool.com). The concept is basically Freeman &amp; Gelernter&#039;s Lifestream project from over a decade ago, using rss to feed it. You can create pools on the fly, using date-ranges, tags, saved searches, and all that stuff. I&#039;m searching through my virtual, dynamic/elastic pools using a &quot;pool search&quot; of course :)

Best,
Chris.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pooling&#8221; maybe? I&#8217;ve been working on something similar for a couple of years now and called it OnePool (and since forever in closed alfa at onepool.com). The concept is basically Freeman &amp; Gelernter&#8217;s Lifestream project from over a decade ago, using rss to feed it. You can create pools on the fly, using date-ranges, tags, saved searches, and all that stuff. I&#8217;m searching through my virtual, dynamic/elastic pools using a &#8220;pool search&#8221; of course :)</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123375</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 12:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It really is syndication in the RSS sense, but I&#039;m hoping to decouple that idea from all the baggage that blogging brings along. People have fixed views about blogging at this point, and outside of the geek tribe many of those views are not positive.

Among other things I&#039;m hoping that if this idea of syndication can be conveyed in another context, one that&#039;s more familiar, less threatening, and highly utilitarian, then we could eventually bring things back around to blog-style syndication as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is syndication in the RSS sense, but I&#8217;m hoping to decouple that idea from all the baggage that blogging brings along. People have fixed views about blogging at this point, and outside of the geek tribe many of those views are not positive.</p>
<p>Among other things I&#8217;m hoping that if this idea of syndication can be conveyed in another context, one that&#8217;s more familiar, less threatening, and highly utilitarian, then we could eventually bring things back around to blog-style syndication as well.</p>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orcmid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 04:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was reading some other material today and distributed came up.  I am not sure that works (distributed search and distributed identity sound nifty, but I think distributed search might have other nuances).

I am not keen on curation because of the heavy sense in which custodianship is part of that.  I admit to checking a dictionary (well, Encarta&#039;s), and discovered that curation is apparently a modern term or perhaps very specialized.  It appears to be what curators do, and curators would appear to be control freaks (in a nice way, of course).

I should not have been surprised by return of the calendaring example, but I was.  I thought that case was a form of aggregation with added requirement for coherence and the prospect of coordination.  Maybe we are looking for a single term that would be seriously over-used if we charge it with all of the cases discussed here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading some other material today and distributed came up.  I am not sure that works (distributed search and distributed identity sound nifty, but I think distributed search might have other nuances).</p>
<p>I am not keen on curation because of the heavy sense in which custodianship is part of that.  I admit to checking a dictionary (well, Encarta&#8217;s), and discovered that curation is apparently a modern term or perhaps very specialized.  It appears to be what curators do, and curators would appear to be control freaks (in a nice way, of course).</p>
<p>I should not have been surprised by return of the calendaring example, but I was.  I thought that case was a form of aggregation with added requirement for coherence and the prospect of coordination.  Maybe we are looking for a single term that would be seriously over-used if we charge it with all of the cases discussed here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; There’s all this calendar information 
&gt; for your town out there, and what this 
&gt; technology provides is the ability to
&gt; make a one-stop calendar where you can
&gt; bring it together.

That&#039;s step two. Step one is that, well, there  really isn&#039;t all that much calendar info out there, at least not in electronic form, and especially not in a syndicatable electronic form.

Seeding the combined calendar with lots of examples of what /could/ be provided, and then curated, is firstly a way to try to motivate the use of calendar-oriented software where currently what is mainly used, if anything, is wordprocessors and spreadsheets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; There’s all this calendar information<br />
&gt; for your town out there, and what this<br />
&gt; technology provides is the ability to<br />
&gt; make a one-stop calendar where you can<br />
&gt; bring it together.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s step two. Step one is that, well, there  really isn&#8217;t all that much calendar info out there, at least not in electronic form, and especially not in a syndicatable electronic form.</p>
<p>Seeding the combined calendar with lots of examples of what /could/ be provided, and then curated, is firstly a way to try to motivate the use of calendar-oriented software where currently what is mainly used, if anything, is wordprocessors and spreadsheets.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; perhaps it’s more apt to describe it 
&gt; as curation

Yes. Collaborative and loosely-coupled curation. Problem is, people outside the geek world, who haven&#039;t come to take that for granted, have no mental model for such a thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; perhaps it’s more apt to describe it<br />
&gt; as curation</p>
<p>Yes. Collaborative and loosely-coupled curation. Problem is, people outside the geek world, who haven&#8217;t come to take that for granted, have no mental model for such a thing.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cole</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Cole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(and btw, if you click the link from my name to my website in my previous comments, it takes you to a &#039;A mega-site of Bible, Christian and religious information and studies.&#039; site.  that is not my site :-).  it seems if you have a mistype .blogpot.com, instead of blogspot.com, as I did, it takes you there).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(and btw, if you click the link from my name to my website in my previous comments, it takes you to a &#8216;A mega-site of Bible, Christian and religious information and studies.&#8217; site.  that is not my site :-).  it seems if you have a mistype .blogpot.com, instead of blogspot.com, as I did, it takes you there).</p>
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		<title>By: James Cole</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Cole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to summarise my last comment, I think the technology gives you the ability to create one-stop services.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to summarise my last comment, I think the technology gives you the ability to create one-stop services.</p>
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		<title>By: James Cole</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Cole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Approaching this from a different angle, I think you could describe it as being about creating a _one stop_ search engine or calendar.  

There&#039;s all this calendar information for your town out there, and what this technology providies is the ability to make a one-stop calendar where you can bring it together.  That&#039;s what RSS and syndication enables.  

To take another example, RSS enables all the blogs I read to be brought together in a one-stop blog reader.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Approaching this from a different angle, I think you could describe it as being about creating a _one stop_ search engine or calendar.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s all this calendar information for your town out there, and what this technology providies is the ability to make a one-stop calendar where you can bring it together.  That&#8217;s what RSS and syndication enables.  </p>
<p>To take another example, RSS enables all the blogs I read to be brought together in a one-stop blog reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Gillooly [FuseCal.com]</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Gillooly [FuseCal.com]]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It feels natural to describe your community calendar project as building a library of sorts.  Books exist independently and usefully outside of a library, but by collecting them  in one place, and ensuring they all conform to a standard like Dewey Decimal, the set becomes much more useful than the sum of its parts.

We&#039;ve been calling the process of combining such feeds aggregation/re-publishing, but in this light, perhaps it&#039;s more apt to describe it as curation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It feels natural to describe your community calendar project as building a library of sorts.  Books exist independently and usefully outside of a library, but by collecting them  in one place, and ensuring they all conform to a standard like Dewey Decimal, the set becomes much more useful than the sum of its parts.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been calling the process of combining such feeds aggregation/re-publishing, but in this light, perhaps it&#8217;s more apt to describe it as curation.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Stoddard</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/08/that-word-syndication-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means/#comment-123359</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Stoddard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tony, you are thinking down the same path I am. As a application developer in the document imaging group at my employer we use the word &quot;repurpose&quot; a lot. Too often people do not decompose the information they want to identify the best (read as easiest, cheapest, etc) source. This is a stumbling block to easy acceptance of this concept in my eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, you are thinking down the same path I am. As a application developer in the document imaging group at my employer we use the word &#8220;repurpose&#8221; a lot. Too often people do not decompose the information they want to identify the best (read as easiest, cheapest, etc) source. This is a stumbling block to easy acceptance of this concept in my eyes.</p>
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