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	<title>Comments on: Calendar software is natural for reading, but not for writing</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/05/calendar-software-is-natural-for-reading-but-not-for-writing/#comment-126117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s what Phil Windley thinks too:

http://www.windley.com/archives/2008/12/a_member_of_eastern_standard_tribe.shtml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what Phil Windley thinks too:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.windley.com/archives/2008/12/a_member_of_eastern_standard_tribe.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.windley.com/archives/2008/12/a_member_of_eastern_standard_tribe.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: sac modelleri</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/05/calendar-software-is-natural-for-reading-but-not-for-writing/#comment-126116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sac modelleri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Robin Capper: carry it a step further, abolish time zones, and do everything in UTC.
Time zones (at least in the US) were invented to solve a problem (railroad schedules), now they’ve become a problem in some ways - although most software can deal with them]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robin Capper: carry it a step further, abolish time zones, and do everything in UTC.<br />
Time zones (at least in the US) were invented to solve a problem (railroad schedules), now they’ve become a problem in some ways &#8211; although most software can deal with them</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hare</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/05/calendar-software-is-natural-for-reading-but-not-for-writing/#comment-123329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Sine Nomine: if the notices were sent in a standardized calendar data container (iCalendar, XML) then what you use to receive it could easily provide day-of-week from the date, as the algorithms are pretty well known.

@Robin Capper: carry it a step further, abolish time zones, and do everything in UTC.
Time zones (at least in the US) were invented to solve a problem (railroad schedules), now they&#039;ve become a problem in some ways - although most software can deal with them

@all: It&#039;d be sufficient for software to make reasonable guesses, as long as you have the opportunity to make corrections to its guesses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sine Nomine: if the notices were sent in a standardized calendar data container (iCalendar, XML) then what you use to receive it could easily provide day-of-week from the date, as the algorithms are pretty well known.</p>
<p>@Robin Capper: carry it a step further, abolish time zones, and do everything in UTC.<br />
Time zones (at least in the US) were invented to solve a problem (railroad schedules), now they&#8217;ve become a problem in some ways &#8211; although most software can deal with them</p>
<p>@all: It&#8217;d be sufficient for software to make reasonable guesses, as long as you have the opportunity to make corrections to its guesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Capper</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/05/calendar-software-is-natural-for-reading-but-not-for-writing/#comment-123326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin Capper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t it just be easier if 24:00 format was the standard. No worries about am/pm...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it just be easier if 24:00 format was the standard. No worries about am/pm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/05/calendar-software-is-natural-for-reading-but-not-for-writing/#comment-123325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; Software can’t figure it out because 
&gt; software doesn’t play baseball

In general I think that&#039;s a correct statement about AI. Not having a body, and not living in society, software can&#039;t experience life and and learn from it.

OTOH, software can detect patterns. One of those patterns is that softball games in the spring and summer in New England occur at certain times but not others on weekdays vs weekends. Lots of examples of this pattern are discoverable on the Internet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Software can’t figure it out because<br />
&gt; software doesn’t play baseball</p>
<p>In general I think that&#8217;s a correct statement about AI. Not having a body, and not living in society, software can&#8217;t experience life and and learn from it.</p>
<p>OTOH, software can detect patterns. One of those patterns is that softball games in the spring and summer in New England occur at certain times but not others on weekdays vs weekends. Lots of examples of this pattern are discoverable on the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: JonO</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/05/calendar-software-is-natural-for-reading-but-not-for-writing/#comment-123324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JonO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Software can&#039;t figure it out because software doesn&#039;t play baseball :)

Okay, but it&#039;s not just a bad example.  It&#039;s demonstrative of the problems of context in social situations.  It&#039;s not simply that software&#039;s too stupid.

I do agree in general, though.  It would be a better world if everything worked without me having to communicate what I want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Software can&#8217;t figure it out because software doesn&#8217;t play baseball :)</p>
<p>Okay, but it&#8217;s not just a bad example.  It&#8217;s demonstrative of the problems of context in social situations.  It&#8217;s not simply that software&#8217;s too stupid.</p>
<p>I do agree in general, though.  It would be a better world if everything worked without me having to communicate what I want.</p>
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		<title>By: Sine Nomine</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/05/calendar-software-is-natural-for-reading-but-not-for-writing/#comment-123323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sine Nomine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We receive meeting notices from the school with the

time &amp; date but NOT the day of the week!  It just

drives me crazy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We receive meeting notices from the school with the</p>
<p>time &amp; date but NOT the day of the week!  It just</p>
<p>drives me crazy!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/05/calendar-software-is-natural-for-reading-but-not-for-writing/#comment-123320</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; Knowing the context and tacit conditions 
&gt; (such as baseball game times) is the hard 
&gt; part

Exactly. 

And getting it right doesn&#039;t necessarily mean nailing everything. In this case it&#039;d be great if the data entry software could assimilate some contextual clues, make some assumptions, show you what it assumed, and then enable you to easily confirm or correct.

It&#039;s interesting to think about how to help the software acquire those contextual cues. I&#039;ve never thought about this until just now, but suppose that you told it where you intended to publish the information. The situation of that XLS file -- its neighboring pages and their connected sites -- provide all sorts of clues about the softball league schema, in the Roger Schank sense of the word schema.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Knowing the context and tacit conditions<br />
&gt; (such as baseball game times) is the hard<br />
&gt; part</p>
<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>And getting it right doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean nailing everything. In this case it&#8217;d be great if the data entry software could assimilate some contextual clues, make some assumptions, show you what it assumed, and then enable you to easily confirm or correct.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to think about how to help the software acquire those contextual cues. I&#8217;ve never thought about this until just now, but suppose that you told it where you intended to publish the information. The situation of that XLS file &#8212; its neighboring pages and their connected sites &#8212; provide all sorts of clues about the softball league schema, in the Roger Schank sense of the word schema.</p>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/05/05/calendar-software-is-natural-for-reading-but-not-for-writing/#comment-123319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orcmid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a sometimes date-manipulation geek, I like this topic for all of the considerations that it illustrates.  

My concern is that the requirements for context are pretty intense and the software designer is going to bolt certain guesses about that into the software in ways that can never always be right.

One that gets me has to do with understanding time changes.  When I calendar something, what if it is something that is happening in a different time zone than I am in at the time?  (Outlook makes me crazy about this).  How about start times and end times in different time zones (or different daylight-time adjustments), as when recording departure and arrival for an international, or cross-country flight.

I have no idea how we can get that &quot;right&quot; and I suspect that it will involve my being able to somehow specify the exceptional cases easily while there are reasonable defaults for the usual cases.  

If I did calendaring like that, as a power user I might want an easy way to introduce some custom templates for events or time situations that I could easily assert for a calendar item.  

But the parsing bit is not the hard part. Actually, it is fun to do.  Knowing the context and tacit conditions (such as baseball game times) is the hard part and maybe the problem is to get the computer out of the way in a helpful manner rather than putting it more in the way.

Something to think about.  A great illustrative case.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a sometimes date-manipulation geek, I like this topic for all of the considerations that it illustrates.  </p>
<p>My concern is that the requirements for context are pretty intense and the software designer is going to bolt certain guesses about that into the software in ways that can never always be right.</p>
<p>One that gets me has to do with understanding time changes.  When I calendar something, what if it is something that is happening in a different time zone than I am in at the time?  (Outlook makes me crazy about this).  How about start times and end times in different time zones (or different daylight-time adjustments), as when recording departure and arrival for an international, or cross-country flight.</p>
<p>I have no idea how we can get that &#8220;right&#8221; and I suspect that it will involve my being able to somehow specify the exceptional cases easily while there are reasonable defaults for the usual cases.  </p>
<p>If I did calendaring like that, as a power user I might want an easy way to introduce some custom templates for events or time situations that I could easily assert for a calendar item.  </p>
<p>But the parsing bit is not the hard part. Actually, it is fun to do.  Knowing the context and tacit conditions (such as baseball game times) is the hard part and maybe the problem is to get the computer out of the way in a helpful manner rather than putting it more in the way.</p>
<p>Something to think about.  A great illustrative case.  Thanks.</p>
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