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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;We posted weekly.pdf to the website. Isn&#8217;t that good enough?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Langara Tutorials &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Calendar sydication is a powerful tool</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-130176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Langara Tutorials &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Calendar sydication is a powerful tool]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] RSS (Real-time syndication) is a breakthrough, but so is calendar syndication  RSS is  only part of the solution because the real problem is that most people, most of the time, for most of their calendar-related activities, don&#8217;t use calendar programs. They use spreadsheets and wordprocessors, and they produce unstructured web pages and PDF files.  (Jon Udell) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] RSS (Real-time syndication) is a breakthrough, but so is calendar syndication  RSS is  only part of the solution because the real problem is that most people, most of the time, for most of their calendar-related activities, don&#8217;t use calendar programs. They use spreadsheets and wordprocessors, and they produce unstructured web pages and PDF files.  (Jon Udell) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Revisiting FuseCal and Upcoming &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-127015</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Revisiting FuseCal and Upcoming &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] their communities, they&#8217;re broadening my horizons. Last year, for example, in the comments on this entry, I learned about FuseCal, a calendar-publishing service that can extract structured calendar [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their communities, they&#8217;re broadening my horizons. Last year, for example, in the comments on this entry, I learned about FuseCal, a calendar-publishing service that can extract structured calendar [...]</p>
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		<title>By: claribelrac</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-126959</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Calling calendar curators &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-126946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calling calendar curators &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The real challenge is explaining how to publish useful calendars using free, ubiquitous tools, why posting a PDf to the website isn&#8217;t good enough, and what network effects can happen when more of us publish and syndicate calendar [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The real challenge is explaining how to publish useful calendars using free, ubiquitous tools, why posting a PDf to the website isn&#8217;t good enough, and what network effects can happen when more of us publish and syndicate calendar [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Datreultflore</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-125521</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: librarian calendar</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[librarian calendar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 09:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Calendar software is natural for reading, but not for writing &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calendar software is natural for reading, but not for writing &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Posted by Jon Udell under Uncategorized &#160;   In response to a popular recent item &#8212; “We posted weekly.pdf to the website. Isn’t that good enough?” &#8212; Sarah Allen echoes my favorite Sergey Brin quote. Sergey said: &#8220;I&#8217;d rather make [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Tim Hare</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 03:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt - the demo looks interesting, but not exactly what I&#039;m talking about.

What I&#039;m thinking of:

1. Select the group of events in your calendaring program of choice.

2. Choose Publish (or whatever it&#039;s called)

3. Supply destination information (directory, URL)

4. The application creates one .ics file for each event, an .ics file containing all the events, and an XML file with links to all of those; an XSL file is used to transform it into whatever HTML you like for viewing (yes, you could just go to XHTML I guess)

The point here is to make it painless to publish. What FuseCal does, it seems, is make it painless to subscribe to a calendar once published.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; the demo looks interesting, but not exactly what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m thinking of:</p>
<p>1. Select the group of events in your calendaring program of choice.</p>
<p>2. Choose Publish (or whatever it&#8217;s called)</p>
<p>3. Supply destination information (directory, URL)</p>
<p>4. The application creates one .ics file for each event, an .ics file containing all the events, and an XML file with links to all of those; an XSL file is used to transform it into whatever HTML you like for viewing (yes, you could just go to XHTML I guess)</p>
<p>The point here is to make it painless to publish. What FuseCal does, it seems, is make it painless to subscribe to a calendar once published.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123257</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; I think it will be a long time before the
&gt; need for that service completely disappears.

I think that&#039;s a very good bet!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I think it will be a long time before the<br />
&gt; need for that service completely disappears.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a very good bet!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Gillooly [FuseCal.com]</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Gillooly [FuseCal.com]]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim-
have you checked out FuseCal&#039;s publishing tools?  We have an interface that anyone can embed in their web page to allow their visitors to choose events and subscribe to them, similar to what you&#039;re suggesting.  If you get a chance to check it out, I&#039;d love to hear your thoughts.

Jon-
This relates to something I wanted to clarify about my earlier comment.  Joking aside, we do fully expect the info extraction aspects of FuseCal to become less important as people do embrace calendar data standards.  That&#039;s actually a very good thing for us, because the other parts of FuseCal - publishing and syndication tools, analytics, and the potential to monetize events through contextual analysis of the events - all become much more interesting when there is more structured event data available.

However, we&#039;re stuck first with the problem of accumulating that mass of structured event data.  For now, our answer is to create that structure ourselves, and I think it will be a long time before the need for that service completely disappears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim-<br />
have you checked out FuseCal&#8217;s publishing tools?  We have an interface that anyone can embed in their web page to allow their visitors to choose events and subscribe to them, similar to what you&#8217;re suggesting.  If you get a chance to check it out, I&#8217;d love to hear your thoughts.</p>
<p>Jon-<br />
This relates to something I wanted to clarify about my earlier comment.  Joking aside, we do fully expect the info extraction aspects of FuseCal to become less important as people do embrace calendar data standards.  That&#8217;s actually a very good thing for us, because the other parts of FuseCal &#8211; publishing and syndication tools, analytics, and the potential to monetize events through contextual analysis of the events &#8211; all become much more interesting when there is more structured event data available.</p>
<p>However, we&#8217;re stuck first with the problem of accumulating that mass of structured event data.  For now, our answer is to create that structure ourselves, and I think it will be a long time before the need for that service completely disappears.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hare</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The missing piece, in addition to the education part that you mention, is publishing. It is currently not that easy to take a list of events in some program (even a calendaring program) and publish them all to the web where each event has an .ics file link  that will open in the user&#039;s calendaring tool and perhaps the entire group of events has a link to an .ics file which includes them all. Therefore people publish their calendar events with things they know how to use, like Word or Excel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The missing piece, in addition to the education part that you mention, is publishing. It is currently not that easy to take a list of events in some program (even a calendaring program) and publish them all to the web where each event has an .ics file link  that will open in the user&#8217;s calendaring tool and perhaps the entire group of events has a link to an .ics file which includes them all. Therefore people publish their calendar events with things they know how to use, like Word or Excel.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hare</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Hare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Check out http://www.calconnect.org, the Calendaring &amp; Scheduling Symposium, they have been working on calendar interoperability for quite some time. Microsoft only recently (in the last year?) became a member, but now all the major players are.

2. I posted to their site two XSLT files which transform iCalendar to XML and vice versa. The iCal-&gt;XML transform currently requires you to embed the iCalendar data in a small bit of XML to make it an actual &#039;document&#039; processable by XSLT. These two files are freely usable by anyone, just provide attribution (see the comments). I personally believe in the power of XSL transforms in combination with XML to make all sorts of data usable in all sorts of ways.

3. The IETF workgroup on iCalendar simplification has been making headway as well (but XML is not in their charter at the moment).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Check out <a href="http://www.calconnect.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.calconnect.org</a>, the Calendaring &amp; Scheduling Symposium, they have been working on calendar interoperability for quite some time. Microsoft only recently (in the last year?) became a member, but now all the major players are.</p>
<p>2. I posted to their site two XSLT files which transform iCalendar to XML and vice versa. The iCal-&gt;XML transform currently requires you to embed the iCalendar data in a small bit of XML to make it an actual &#8216;document&#8217; processable by XSLT. These two files are freely usable by anyone, just provide attribution (see the comments). I personally believe in the power of XSL transforms in combination with XML to make all sorts of data usable in all sorts of ways.</p>
<p>3. The IETF workgroup on iCalendar simplification has been making headway as well (but XML is not in their charter at the moment).</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Gillooly [FuseCal.com]</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Gillooly [FuseCal.com]]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Jon,

To answer your first question, yes the feed will persist, as long as your calendar app continues to request updates.  We do periodically clear out anonymous feeds that haven&#039;t had any hits in a while.  However, I&#039;d still recommend registering an account, so that you can manage your feeds in the future and from other computers.  If your browser session hasn&#039;t yet expired, your existing feeds will automatically get added to the account you create.  This will let you add and change event filters, tag your calendars and subscribe to tag feeds, embed your calendars into web pages, opt in to emails alerts about changing events, and more.

Automatically handling the look-ahead is on our (very long) todo list.  In the meanwhile, one hack would be to choose a unique tag to represent that calendar.  As you add the URL for each month of the calendar to FuseCal, you would use that tag and the events would be added to the corresponding tag feed.  In that way, you can at least create a single feed with all the events you want.

I agree that, ideally, FuseCal wouldn&#039;t have to exist- in the same way that, ideally, hospitals and prisons wouldn&#039;t have to exist. :-)

Seriously, though, I think you need to provide a lot of incentive in order to get people to change the way they behave.  It&#039;s much easier to sell a Tylenol than a vitamin.  I think you&#039;re on the right track with waiting for the &quot;teachable moments.&quot;   I&#039;m not totally sure if it&#039;s even possible to build a startup around providing those incentives, but I think it makes a lot of sense as a non-profit community project, which is part of the reason I recently founded the MashableCity.org project.

That said, I&#039;d love to be proven wrong and shown how to make money while fighting the good fight!

cheers,
Matt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon,</p>
<p>To answer your first question, yes the feed will persist, as long as your calendar app continues to request updates.  We do periodically clear out anonymous feeds that haven&#8217;t had any hits in a while.  However, I&#8217;d still recommend registering an account, so that you can manage your feeds in the future and from other computers.  If your browser session hasn&#8217;t yet expired, your existing feeds will automatically get added to the account you create.  This will let you add and change event filters, tag your calendars and subscribe to tag feeds, embed your calendars into web pages, opt in to emails alerts about changing events, and more.</p>
<p>Automatically handling the look-ahead is on our (very long) todo list.  In the meanwhile, one hack would be to choose a unique tag to represent that calendar.  As you add the URL for each month of the calendar to FuseCal, you would use that tag and the events would be added to the corresponding tag feed.  In that way, you can at least create a single feed with all the events you want.</p>
<p>I agree that, ideally, FuseCal wouldn&#8217;t have to exist- in the same way that, ideally, hospitals and prisons wouldn&#8217;t have to exist. :-)</p>
<p>Seriously, though, I think you need to provide a lot of incentive in order to get people to change the way they behave.  It&#8217;s much easier to sell a Tylenol than a vitamin.  I think you&#8217;re on the right track with waiting for the &#8220;teachable moments.&#8221;   I&#8217;m not totally sure if it&#8217;s even possible to build a startup around providing those incentives, but I think it makes a lot of sense as a non-profit community project, which is part of the reason I recently founded the MashableCity.org project.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;d love to be proven wrong and shown how to make money while fighting the good fight!</p>
<p>cheers,<br />
Matt</p>
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		<title>By: John Q. Public</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123239</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Q. Public]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, interesting post. Food for thought. 

Thanks,
John]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, interesting post. Food for thought. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/22/we-posted-weeklypdf-to-the-website-isnt-that-good-enough/#comment-123238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; I’d love to know if there’s any way we can
&gt; help with your project

You already have! FuseCal is doing a better job than I was able to do with this:

http://www.libraryinsight.com/calendar.asp?jx=ea

I was too lazy to parse out the times, I only got dates. But you got it all. Excellent!

Will the FuseCal feed that I made persist even though I made it as an anon user?

One interesting detail here: I&#039;ve run into a few places where it&#039;s helpful to look ahead. So in this case, the current month is almost over, and you&#039;d like to look ahead to:

http://www.libraryinsight.com/calendar.asp?sm=&amp;jx=eap&amp;nMonth=5&amp;nYear=2008&amp;x=3

I was doing that in my otherwise inferior scraper. It&#039;d be nice to be able to give FuseCal a rule about looking ahead.

&gt; If you have any feedback on how we can
&gt; improve FuseCal

That&#039;s hard to answer because ultimately I don&#039;t think FuseCal should have to exist. In general, I would like to see the effort that&#039;s being invested in reverse-engineering of web pages -- at FuseCal, at EveryBlock, and elsewhere -- spent on a) building systems that invite people to manage information better from the get-go, and b) enabling all the great things that would happen if they did.

Here in the real world, of course, what you are doing matters enormously, and will for a long time to come. How to build bridges from here to a very unevenly distributed future is a very interesting question, I&#039;d be interested to know your thoughts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I’d love to know if there’s any way we can<br />
&gt; help with your project</p>
<p>You already have! FuseCal is doing a better job than I was able to do with this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.libraryinsight.com/calendar.asp?jx=ea" rel="nofollow">http://www.libraryinsight.com/calendar.asp?jx=ea</a></p>
<p>I was too lazy to parse out the times, I only got dates. But you got it all. Excellent!</p>
<p>Will the FuseCal feed that I made persist even though I made it as an anon user?</p>
<p>One interesting detail here: I&#8217;ve run into a few places where it&#8217;s helpful to look ahead. So in this case, the current month is almost over, and you&#8217;d like to look ahead to:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.libraryinsight.com/calendar.asp?sm=&#038;jx=eap&#038;nMonth=5&#038;nYear=2008&#038;x=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.libraryinsight.com/calendar.asp?sm=&#038;jx=eap&#038;nMonth=5&#038;nYear=2008&#038;x=3</a></p>
<p>I was doing that in my otherwise inferior scraper. It&#8217;d be nice to be able to give FuseCal a rule about looking ahead.</p>
<p>&gt; If you have any feedback on how we can<br />
&gt; improve FuseCal</p>
<p>That&#8217;s hard to answer because ultimately I don&#8217;t think FuseCal should have to exist. In general, I would like to see the effort that&#8217;s being invested in reverse-engineering of web pages &#8212; at FuseCal, at EveryBlock, and elsewhere &#8212; spent on a) building systems that invite people to manage information better from the get-go, and b) enabling all the great things that would happen if they did.</p>
<p>Here in the real world, of course, what you are doing matters enormously, and will for a long time to come. How to build bridges from here to a very unevenly distributed future is a very interesting question, I&#8217;d be interested to know your thoughts.</p>
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