Comments on: A conversation with Phil Libin about EverNote’s new memex http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/ Strategies for Internet citizens Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:06:41 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Gary North http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-127627 Gary North Tue, 19 May 2009 14:13:36 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-127627 On your site, we read: Accounts: In order to use Evernote you must create a FREE account, here. http://www.evernote.com/about/support/en2users/ If I can click the Evernote clipper icon, and the note goes to Evernote 3 without going through your site, then I am convinced that Evernote 3 does not create a forced dependence on your site. Clipper works with Evernote 2.2 on a stand-alone basis. Your video specifically says that I must log in to your site to use clipper. http://www.evernote.com/about/download Is the video incorrect? Is there another way? On your site, we read:

Accounts: In order to use Evernote you must create a FREE account, here.

http://www.evernote.com/about/support/en2users/

If I can click the Evernote clipper icon, and the note goes to Evernote 3 without going through your site, then I am convinced that Evernote 3 does not create a forced dependence on your site. Clipper works with Evernote 2.2 on a stand-alone basis.

Your video specifically says that I must log in to your site to use clipper.

http://www.evernote.com/about/download

Is the video incorrect? Is there another way?

]]> By: Phil Libin http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-127619 Phil Libin Mon, 18 May 2009 17:40:57 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-127619 Gary, I don't think that's right. You can keep any amount of data, for free, locally, in the current versions of Evernote for both Windows and Mac. You don't have to upload anything and you don't have to pay anything. Just switch to the new version and import all of your 2.2 notes. Make your imported notebook "local" and nothing will get uploaded to our site. If you want to use the other benefits of the service, you can have a free account which restricts you to 40 megabytes of new, synchronized, notes per month, or pay $5 / month for a premium account. There is no limit to how many notes you can have synchronized, or how often you access them with the free account. So if you want to upload all of your past notes, just pay the $5 once and you'll have everything synchronized. If you don't care about synchronization and just want to keep everything on your local computer, you don't have to pay at all. Hope this clears things up. Thanks for being a long-time user! Gary,

I don’t think that’s right.

You can keep any amount of data, for free, locally, in the current versions of Evernote for both Windows and Mac. You don’t have to upload anything and you don’t have to pay anything. Just switch to the new version and import all of your 2.2 notes. Make your imported notebook “local” and nothing will get uploaded to our site.

If you want to use the other benefits of the service, you can have a free account which restricts you to 40 megabytes of new, synchronized, notes per month, or pay $5 / month for a premium account. There is no limit to how many notes you can have synchronized, or how often you access them with the free account. So if you want to upload all of your past notes, just pay the $5 once and you’ll have everything synchronized. If you don’t care about synchronization and just want to keep everything on your local computer, you don’t have to pay at all.

Hope this clears things up. Thanks for being a long-time user!

]]> By: Gary North http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-127616 Gary North Mon, 18 May 2009 13:35:01 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-127616 I was an early supporter of EverNote: http://www.garynorth.com/public/2027.cfm I am no longer. Here's why. Trust is the crucial element in long-run relationships. Data storage is a very long-run relationship. EverNote offered a free program for years. They implied this: "Trust us. You will be able to file and retrieve your data." I trusted them. Then they removed the free download desktop version. This means -- or seems to mean -- that I cannot transfer the program to a new computer/hard disk. I will lose years of data. Those data are valuable to me. It cost time to assemble them. Option: I can upload years of my data to EverNote's site. It's free! Or I can switch to a premium service. "Only $5 a month." This month. "Just keep increasing the value of your files. Keep uploading." In short, "Trust us again. No more funny business from now on. We promise." Had they left the desktop version 2.2 on line to download, I would have no complaint. They didn't. Fool me once: shame on you. Fool me twice: shame on me. I was an early supporter of EverNote:

http://www.garynorth.com/public/2027.cfm

I am no longer. Here’s why. Trust is the crucial element in long-run relationships. Data storage is a very long-run relationship.

EverNote offered a free program for years. They implied this: “Trust us. You will be able to file and retrieve your data.” I trusted them.

Then they removed the free download desktop version. This means — or seems to mean — that I cannot transfer the program to a new computer/hard disk. I will lose years of data. Those data are valuable to me. It cost time to assemble them.

Option: I can upload years of my data to EverNote’s site. It’s free!

Or I can switch to a premium service. “Only $5 a month.” This month. “Just keep increasing the value of your files. Keep uploading.”

In short, “Trust us again. No more funny business from now on. We promise.”

Had they left the desktop version 2.2 on line to download, I would have no complaint. They didn’t.

Fool me once: shame on you. Fool me twice: shame on me.

]]> By: Lorene S http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-125582 Lorene S Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:20:41 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-125582 "Each method serves a communication function but also provides a repository where I often stash things purely so I can find them later." How much of this do you ever retrieve? Is it of any use to save minutiae that may never be used or accessed ever again? I know storage is cheap but time is not, and keeping things to just to have them takes time, especially if you never look at it again. “Each method serves a communication function but also provides a repository where I often stash things purely so I can find them later.”

How much of this do you ever retrieve? Is it of any use to save minutiae that may never be used or accessed ever again? I know storage is cheap but time is not, and keeping things to just to have them takes time, especially if you never look at it again.

]]> By: Cain Hopwood http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123199 Cain Hopwood Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:57:30 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123199 John, Great interview. I've been using Outlook + blackberry for years for notes just for the universal sync. But Phil's system looks like it's going to beat that for sure. And teading through the TOS, it looks like I'll still own what I put in there (unlike a lot of other Web 2.0 services). I'd also like one of those invites that you mentioned in the podcast if you could possibly arrange it. John,

Great interview. I’ve been using Outlook + blackberry for years for notes just for the universal sync. But Phil’s system looks like it’s going to beat that for sure. And teading through the TOS, it looks like I’ll still own what I put in there (unlike a lot of other Web 2.0 services).

I’d also like one of those invites that you mentioned in the podcast if you could possibly arrange it.

]]> By: links for 2008-04-23 « Talkabout http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123189 links for 2008-04-23 « Talkabout Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:52:24 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123189 [...] A conversation with Phil Libin about EverNote’s new memex « Jon Udell “Here’s an interesting and counter-intuitive aspect of EverNote. Human memory degrades over time. Digital memories, however, not only retain full fidelity, they can actually improve over time. Faces that you can’t find in your EverNote archive today m (tags: memex judell notes annotation longnow memory interesting) [...] [...] A conversation with Phil Libin about EverNote’s new memex « Jon Udell “Here’s an interesting and counter-intuitive aspect of EverNote. Human memory degrades over time. Digital memories, however, not only retain full fidelity, they can actually improve over time. Faces that you can’t find in your EverNote archive today m (tags: memex judell notes annotation longnow memory interesting) [...]

]]> By: Weekly SOA Crumbs #14 - Trying a new format - Service Endpoint http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123176 Weekly SOA Crumbs #14 - Trying a new format - Service Endpoint Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:07:25 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123176 [...] A conversation with Phil Libin about EverNote’s new memex - another great Jon Udell interview [...] [...] A conversation with Phil Libin about EverNote’s new memex – another great Jon Udell interview [...]

]]> By: Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123129 Jon Udell Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:54:20 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123129 > How can I get one? You got one. > How can I get one?

You got one.

]]> By: Dean Landis II http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123128 Dean Landis II Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:21:14 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123128 At the end of your podcast Phil said he would arrainge for about a thousand invites for your listeners. How can I get one? Love the series. At the end of your podcast Phil said he would arrainge for about a thousand invites for your listeners. How can I get one?

Love the series.

]]> By: Dan Keldsen http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123097 Dan Keldsen Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:42:32 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123097 I've tried Evernote, impressed by what it can do, but fail to see myself actually using it. I suppose that is because I tend to "clip" items to share with others far more often keeping them mostly for my own archive purposes. Nice integration between the web and heavy client versions though, and perhaps I simply haven't given it enough of a chance to take hold in my daily processes. Concerns of ownership/leakage shouldn't be underrated either, although let's not get carried away with paranoia either. The backup of a connection to an infocloud might be worth more than the risk of theft, in many cases. But to each his own! I’ve tried Evernote, impressed by what it can do, but fail to see myself actually using it. I suppose that is because I tend to “clip” items to share with others far more often keeping them mostly for my own archive purposes.

Nice integration between the web and heavy client versions though, and perhaps I simply haven’t given it enough of a chance to take hold in my daily processes.

Concerns of ownership/leakage shouldn’t be underrated either, although let’s not get carried away with paranoia either. The backup of a connection to an infocloud might be worth more than the risk of theft, in many cases. But to each his own!

]]> By: Bill C http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123095 Bill C Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:03:29 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123095 John, Fantastic interview. I am so ready to start using EverNote. Even in it's current form, it looks usable. I have a great memory for obscure commands and tech related stuff, but there are so many other kinds of information that I recall poorly. Thanks so much for the interview John,
Fantastic interview. I am so ready to start using EverNote. Even in it’s current form, it looks usable. I have a great memory for obscure commands and tech related stuff, but there are so many other kinds of information that I recall poorly.
Thanks so much for the interview

]]> By: David S. http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123090 David S. Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:45:56 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123090 Another great interview, thanks Jon. I was impressed how you managed to return to the bigger picture question of how this sort of ecosystem could eventually work, without being too dismissive of their first step. Unfortunately I just don't see this type of a system working -- as we all become more and more aware of privacy issues, the targeted advertising model breaks down. Perhaps the "next big thing" goes to whoever figures out the next big business model beyond the ad supported web... Another great interview, thanks Jon. I was impressed how you managed to return to the bigger picture question of how this sort of ecosystem could eventually work, without being too dismissive of their first step.

Unfortunately I just don’t see this type of a system working — as we all become more and more aware of privacy issues, the targeted advertising model breaks down. Perhaps the “next big thing” goes to whoever figures out the next big business model beyond the ad supported web…

]]> By: links for 2008-04-09 | Technovia http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123077 links for 2008-04-09 | Technovia Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:40:32 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123077 [...] A conversation with Phil Libin about EverNote’s new memex « Jon Udell Very interesting conversation with the CEO of Evernote, the online/offline note taking application company which is doing some very interesting things. (tags: evernote) [...] [...] A conversation with Phil Libin about EverNote’s new memex « Jon Udell Very interesting conversation with the CEO of Evernote, the online/offline note taking application company which is doing some very interesting things. (tags: evernote) [...]

]]> By: Joe Britton http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123067 Joe Britton Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:08:59 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123067 Jon, I enjoyed listening to this interview. Did Phil follow up with you on providing a link that listeners can follow to get a trial version of the Evernote 3.0 beta? Jon, I enjoyed listening to this interview. Did Phil follow up with you on providing a link that listeners can follow to get a trial version of the Evernote 3.0 beta?

]]> By: mat http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/07/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-evernotes-new-memex/#comment-123060 mat Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:30:33 +0000 http://jonudell.wordpress.com/?p=370#comment-123060 Thanks for this interview, Jon. This is a topic I've been working on myself, especially the picture format conversion given I've switched from Windows to OSX to Linux as my main computer. Mine is also mainly centered around all types of text. It includes photos but does not interpret them at all. Phil's service would be good for me, but I just don't trust having my most personal data in the cloud. Even if his company has good intentions for your data, so much can change over time and it may be "difficult" to wipe EverNote clean if you leave the service. We've seen that so many times in the last few years with Web 2.0 services. He also did not mention, but these days it almost goes without saying that your data would be searched to provide targeted advertising in the free version. I'm also not fond of this. Thanks again, paranoid mat Thanks for this interview, Jon. This is a topic I’ve been working on myself, especially the picture format conversion given I’ve switched from Windows to OSX to Linux as my main computer. Mine is also mainly centered around all types of text. It includes photos but does not interpret them at all.

Phil’s service would be good for me, but I just don’t trust having my most personal data in the cloud. Even if his company has good intentions for your data, so much can change over time and it may be “difficult” to wipe EverNote clean if you leave the service. We’ve seen that so many times in the last few years with Web 2.0 services.

He also did not mention, but these days it almost goes without saying that your data would be searched to provide targeted advertising in the free version. I’m also not fond of this.

Thanks again,
paranoid mat

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