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	<title>Comments on: Office XML: The long view</title>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/02/office-xml-the-long-view/#comment-123006</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not going to argue about the standards process, or Microsoft..

I agree with you on structured information, but to me the critical point with XML (and other markup languages, I go back to GML for text markup on mainframes) is transformation. XML is good - but XSLT is what makes it great in my opinion. If data I want is in XML (or a subset, such as well-structured HTML) then I can use XSLT to transform it into whatever _other_ format I need. Similarly with other forms of markup or data identification - in fact, I developed XSLT which transforms an iCalendar (RFC 2445) file into XML - but I could have used any other programming language because the elements within iCalendar, the calendar components and properties, are marked up with identifiers.  The markup makes these kinds of transformations possible. In theory (I haven&#039;t tried it) a properly-coded XSLT could transform OfficeXML into ODF and _back_. That makes the two formats more-or-less functionally equivalent: I can extract information from the document using either set of markup.

The only issue I&#039;ve seen with Office XML (and this was in Office 2003, may have changed) is that they one-for-one translate the &quot;control codes&quot; in an Office Document into markup, rather than going the extra mile and building two things: one the structured document, the other a stylesheet document with the document style information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not going to argue about the standards process, or Microsoft..</p>
<p>I agree with you on structured information, but to me the critical point with XML (and other markup languages, I go back to GML for text markup on mainframes) is transformation. XML is good &#8211; but XSLT is what makes it great in my opinion. If data I want is in XML (or a subset, such as well-structured HTML) then I can use XSLT to transform it into whatever _other_ format I need. Similarly with other forms of markup or data identification &#8211; in fact, I developed XSLT which transforms an iCalendar (RFC 2445) file into XML &#8211; but I could have used any other programming language because the elements within iCalendar, the calendar components and properties, are marked up with identifiers.  The markup makes these kinds of transformations possible. In theory (I haven&#8217;t tried it) a properly-coded XSLT could transform OfficeXML into ODF and _back_. That makes the two formats more-or-less functionally equivalent: I can extract information from the document using either set of markup.</p>
<p>The only issue I&#8217;ve seen with Office XML (and this was in Office 2003, may have changed) is that they one-for-one translate the &#8220;control codes&#8221; in an Office Document into markup, rather than going the extra mile and building two things: one the structured document, the other a stylesheet document with the document style information.</p>
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		<title>By: martin langhoff</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/02/office-xml-the-long-view/#comment-123005</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is fantastic that MSOffice natively writes XML. It&#039;s not pretty XML, but it is a step in the right direction -- arguably a small one, as little or no effort has been taken to normalise bad data, so to an extent it is shovel-ware. Doesn&#039;t seem to be worthy of a standard as many people have noted, and the games played to get it through ISO... well yuck.

If anyone in there is listening -- the tide is shifting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fantastic that MSOffice natively writes XML. It&#8217;s not pretty XML, but it is a step in the right direction &#8212; arguably a small one, as little or no effort has been taken to normalise bad data, so to an extent it is shovel-ware. Doesn&#8217;t seem to be worthy of a standard as many people have noted, and the games played to get it through ISO&#8230; well yuck.</p>
<p>If anyone in there is listening &#8212; the tide is shifting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dobrica Pavlinušić</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/02/office-xml-the-long-view/#comment-123003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dobrica Pavlinušić]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must say that I&#039;m very disappointed that ISO fast-track procedure was used to force this standard through ISO. Standard of this size should benefit from peer review, and OOXML didn&#039;t have enough of it.

My own actions to request re-vote about OOXML approval where blocked by Microsoft partners who just abstained from voting. So, Microsoft shouldn&#039;t be really proud about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that I&#8217;m very disappointed that ISO fast-track procedure was used to force this standard through ISO. Standard of this size should benefit from peer review, and OOXML didn&#8217;t have enough of it.</p>
<p>My own actions to request re-vote about OOXML approval where blocked by Microsoft partners who just abstained from voting. So, Microsoft shouldn&#8217;t be really proud about this.</p>
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		<title>By: XML</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/04/02/office-xml-the-long-view/#comment-123001</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[keep drinking the koolaid jon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>keep drinking the koolaid jon.</p>
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