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	<title>Comments on: Revisiting the InfoWorld metadata explorer</title>
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		<title>By: Ralf Scharnetzki</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/03/26/revisiting-the-infoworld-metadata-explorer/#comment-122991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralf Scharnetzki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 08:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Jon,

This is very similar to the questions that are permanently coming up in Business Intelligence projects when OLAP is required. If I am looking at the way how I played with your prototype I have following suggestions:
-that there are use cases where I would prefer to see/treat the group of tags more as a bread crumb trail - means that the sequence how the tags have been selected is relevant and the UI should allow to things like &quot;drill up&quot; (today only reset or the more difficult to understand concept of &quot;select a tag that is in the group of selected tags again but don’t do it in the UI in the group of the selected tags itself but in the table&quot; 
-there is a value of providing &quot;standard hierarchies for navigation&quot; (or easy access to those prefedined groups of tags) even when there is the full nav-flexibility as your MD UI prototype is motivating.

I hope this makes sense, please feel free to ask if anything is not clear why I am connecting this to the OLAP UI experience.
     
Best regards,
Ralf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jon,</p>
<p>This is very similar to the questions that are permanently coming up in Business Intelligence projects when OLAP is required. If I am looking at the way how I played with your prototype I have following suggestions:<br />
-that there are use cases where I would prefer to see/treat the group of tags more as a bread crumb trail &#8211; means that the sequence how the tags have been selected is relevant and the UI should allow to things like &#8220;drill up&#8221; (today only reset or the more difficult to understand concept of &#8220;select a tag that is in the group of selected tags again but don’t do it in the UI in the group of the selected tags itself but in the table&#8221;<br />
-there is a value of providing &#8220;standard hierarchies for navigation&#8221; (or easy access to those prefedined groups of tags) even when there is the full nav-flexibility as your MD UI prototype is motivating.</p>
<p>I hope this makes sense, please feel free to ask if anything is not clear why I am connecting this to the OLAP UI experience.</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Ralf</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Knox</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/03/26/revisiting-the-infoworld-metadata-explorer/#comment-122956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Knox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s also the Simile Exhibit examples, which pop up controls with checkboxes for something like this. Not a perfect design solution, but it helps show what the logic is as you use it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also the Simile Exhibit examples, which pop up controls with checkboxes for something like this. Not a perfect design solution, but it helps show what the logic is as you use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/03/26/revisiting-the-infoworld-metadata-explorer/#comment-122953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; If it weren’t for the long server delay, this might work. So maybe it would be lively enough as a 
&gt; Flash or Silverlight or Ajax interface.

I did a version Ajax-style, and the JS overhead was worse than the server delay. But it&#039;s probably no different than Flash or Silverlight, in that for immediate responsiveness you&#039;d want to cache as much metadata as possible locally. 

But that&#039;s entirely separate from the question of whether it is conceptually intuitive to do things this way, or if it isn&#039;t, how it can become so.

You&#039;re right that Freebase is worth taking another look at.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; If it weren’t for the long server delay, this might work. So maybe it would be lively enough as a<br />
&gt; Flash or Silverlight or Ajax interface.</p>
<p>I did a version Ajax-style, and the JS overhead was worse than the server delay. But it&#8217;s probably no different than Flash or Silverlight, in that for immediate responsiveness you&#8217;d want to cache as much metadata as possible locally. </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s entirely separate from the question of whether it is conceptually intuitive to do things this way, or if it isn&#8217;t, how it can become so.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that Freebase is worth taking another look at.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/03/26/revisiting-the-infoworld-metadata-explorer/#comment-122952</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; As you continue to select more tags you get more search results and more associations.

That&#039;s a good idea! I like the notion of showing more, but in a controlled way, rather than showing less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; As you continue to select more tags you get more search results and more associations.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good idea! I like the notion of showing more, but in a controlled way, rather than showing less.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/03/26/revisiting-the-infoworld-metadata-explorer/#comment-122950</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[

If it weren&#039;t for the long server delay, this might work. So maybe it would be lively enough as a Flash or Silverlight or Ajax interface.

This reminds me a little of the search interface in Freebase, but that seems to be a little more self-explanatory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it weren&#8217;t for the long server delay, this might work. So maybe it would be lively enough as a Flash or Silverlight or Ajax interface.</p>
<p>This reminds me a little of the search interface in Freebase, but that seems to be a little more self-explanatory.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/03/26/revisiting-the-infoworld-metadata-explorer/#comment-122947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One idea that I&#039;m exploring, is to have a tag cloud that strongly highlights a selected tag and weakly highlights other tags that as associated with the selected tags.  

So if you select the &quot;silverlight&quot; tag, it would be strongly selected it in the cloud, and you would only see entries for silverlight in the search return list.  But you would also see a weak selection of &quot;flash&quot; and &quot;stories&quot; in the tag cloud.  If you then select &quot;flash&quot; in the tag cloud it would strongly select &quot;silverlight&quot; and &quot;flash&quot; and weakly select stories and any additional tags associated with &quot;flash&quot;.  The list would then show entries with both flash and silverlight at the top, followed by stories only about silverlight or only about flash.  

As you continue to select more tags you get more search results and more associations.  The list being sorted by the number of matching tags.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One idea that I&#8217;m exploring, is to have a tag cloud that strongly highlights a selected tag and weakly highlights other tags that as associated with the selected tags.  </p>
<p>So if you select the &#8220;silverlight&#8221; tag, it would be strongly selected it in the cloud, and you would only see entries for silverlight in the search return list.  But you would also see a weak selection of &#8220;flash&#8221; and &#8220;stories&#8221; in the tag cloud.  If you then select &#8220;flash&#8221; in the tag cloud it would strongly select &#8220;silverlight&#8221; and &#8220;flash&#8221; and weakly select stories and any additional tags associated with &#8220;flash&#8221;.  The list would then show entries with both flash and silverlight at the top, followed by stories only about silverlight or only about flash.  </p>
<p>As you continue to select more tags you get more search results and more associations.  The list being sorted by the number of matching tags.</p>
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