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		<title>By: Jeff Lanphear</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122929</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Lanphear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Google Generation searching report...

I would imagine that people use keyword searches in order to view as much as possible about any topic.  Research requires a comprehensive review of available information and that might not be possible unless  properly indexes the literature (print &amp; online).  The untrained formatting of an &quot;advanced search&quot; is exclusionary.  Poor information indexing, similar to the political/beaurocratic construct of &quot;information on a need to know basis&quot;, is not only exclusionary it is prohibitive.

Don&#039;t bash the keyword searcher.  Better, inform the Google-like databases and their indexers they&#039;ve lost the trust of those trying to use/promote online information.

It&#039;s the &quot;researcher&#039;s&quot; job to hunt down everything available and make the most of it.  I think that&#039;s why keyword searches &quot;reign.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Google Generation searching report&#8230;</p>
<p>I would imagine that people use keyword searches in order to view as much as possible about any topic.  Research requires a comprehensive review of available information and that might not be possible unless  properly indexes the literature (print &amp; online).  The untrained formatting of an &#8220;advanced search&#8221; is exclusionary.  Poor information indexing, similar to the political/beaurocratic construct of &#8220;information on a need to know basis&#8221;, is not only exclusionary it is prohibitive.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t bash the keyword searcher.  Better, inform the Google-like databases and their indexers they&#8217;ve lost the trust of those trying to use/promote online information.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the &#8220;researcher&#8217;s&#8221; job to hunt down everything available and make the most of it.  I think that&#8217;s why keyword searches &#8220;reign.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: johnk</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122842</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did they even discuss how &quot;instructions&quot; have changed in the past two decades.  Back in the past, software was documented in books.  Today, most software is documented right in the user interface, either in the forms, like web pages or tax software, or via a sidebar, like office software.  Of course younger people read the instructions -- the instructions are right there, a single search away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they even discuss how &#8220;instructions&#8221; have changed in the past two decades.  Back in the past, software was documented in books.  Today, most software is documented right in the user interface, either in the forms, like web pages or tax software, or via a sidebar, like office software.  Of course younger people read the instructions &#8212; the instructions are right there, a single search away.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-02-28 &#171; Malin surfar &#38; återanvänder</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122691</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[links for 2008-02-28 &#171; Malin surfar &#38; återanvänder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Mythbusting the ‘Google generation’ report « Jon Udell (tags: toread research Google) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: John Richards</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122608</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Richards]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, seriously get a life. Who gives a rats?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, seriously get a life. Who gives a rats?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122586</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Owen: Awesome sleuthing! I marvel at the the way the RSS feed where (I presume) you found that CSV file is unadvertised, and four levels deep in another part of the tree from the place where the main reports live.

&quot;while I would agree that there are some problems with the report, the author’s themselves seem to feel this as well - with some caveats&quot;

I guess so. But geez, the irony is thick here. For example:

&quot;Our final message, one which information professionals have exactly the right skills set to address is the need for greater simplicity.  We know that younger scholars especially have only a very limited knowledge of the many library-sponsored services that are on offer to them.  The problem is one of both raising awareness of this expensive and valuable content and making the interfaces much more standard and easier to use.  The cognitive load on any library user (or librarian) in trying to work through such complexity is at present immense.  Librarians are guilty of complacency here.&quot;

Seems to me this report does more to contribute to that cognitive load than to lighten it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen: Awesome sleuthing! I marvel at the the way the RSS feed where (I presume) you found that CSV file is unadvertised, and four levels deep in another part of the tree from the place where the main reports live.</p>
<p>&#8220;while I would agree that there are some problems with the report, the author’s themselves seem to feel this as well &#8211; with some caveats&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess so. But geez, the irony is thick here. For example:</p>
<p>&#8220;Our final message, one which information professionals have exactly the right skills set to address is the need for greater simplicity.  We know that younger scholars especially have only a very limited knowledge of the many library-sponsored services that are on offer to them.  The problem is one of both raising awareness of this expensive and valuable content and making the interfaces much more standard and easier to use.  The cognitive load on any library user (or librarian) in trying to work through such complexity is at present immense.  Librarians are guilty of complacency here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems to me this report does more to contribute to that cognitive load than to lighten it.</p>
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		<title>By: Avo</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome post Jon. We need more people like you keeping all those &quot;reports&quot; and reporters honest, and pointing out the hypocrites when necessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post Jon. We need more people like you keeping all those &#8220;reports&#8221; and reporters honest, and pointing out the hypocrites when necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Stephens</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122536</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Owen Stephens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW, the source for the other chart is http://www.ofcom.org.uk/advice/media_literacy/of_med_lit/OfcomPromotion/ecconsult/ecresponse.pdf

The superscript 6 has clearly come across from this report, and reads &quot;Base: All UK adults (3,244). Question Z4, prompted responses, multi-coded&quot;

The raw data for the chart seems to be from
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/advice/media_literacy/medlitpub/medlitpubrss/adult_audit.csv - line 41582 onwards - although I can&#039;t say it means much to me...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the source for the other chart is <a href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/advice/media_literacy/of_med_lit/OfcomPromotion/ecconsult/ecresponse.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ofcom.org.uk/advice/media_literacy/of_med_lit/OfcomPromotion/ecconsult/ecresponse.pdf</a></p>
<p>The superscript 6 has clearly come across from this report, and reads &#8220;Base: All UK adults (3,244). Question Z4, prompted responses, multi-coded&#8221;</p>
<p>The raw data for the chart seems to be from<br />
<a href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/advice/media_literacy/medlitpub/medlitpubrss/adult_audit.csv" rel="nofollow">http://www.ofcom.org.uk/advice/media_literacy/medlitpub/medlitpubrss/adult_audit.csv</a> &#8211; line 41582 onwards &#8211; although I can&#8217;t say it means much to me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Stephens</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122535</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Owen Stephens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s certainly a shame that the referencing isn&#039;t clearer. For what it&#039;s worth, my best guess at the evidence they had in mind for this particular point was Figure 1.85 (page 90) of the 2007 Ofcom Report (http://www.ofcom.org.uk/research/cm/cmr07/cm07_print/cm07_1.pdf) - which &quot;indicates that assistance in setting up and using the internet is more likely to
encourage adults without the internet to adopt it&quot; and that &quot;This trend is true across all age groups, although it is least marked in the 25-44 bracket&quot; - which in turn can be taken to mean that those in the 15-24 bracket feel this need for assistance more than those in the 25-44 bracket.

However, while I would agree that there are some problems with the report, the author&#039;s themselves seem to feel this as well - with some caveats such as &quot;The evidence base relevant to the issues raised in this report is incomplete and, in some cases, contradictory.&quot;, also the marking of conclusions with confidence levels, and the admission at the start that what is really needed is a proper longitudinal study.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly a shame that the referencing isn&#8217;t clearer. For what it&#8217;s worth, my best guess at the evidence they had in mind for this particular point was Figure 1.85 (page 90) of the 2007 Ofcom Report (<a href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/research/cm/cmr07/cm07_print/cm07_1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ofcom.org.uk/research/cm/cmr07/cm07_print/cm07_1.pdf</a>) &#8211; which &#8220;indicates that assistance in setting up and using the internet is more likely to<br />
encourage adults without the internet to adopt it&#8221; and that &#8220;This trend is true across all age groups, although it is least marked in the 25-44 bracket&#8221; &#8211; which in turn can be taken to mean that those in the 15-24 bracket feel this need for assistance more than those in the 25-44 bracket.</p>
<p>However, while I would agree that there are some problems with the report, the author&#8217;s themselves seem to feel this as well &#8211; with some caveats such as &#8220;The evidence base relevant to the issues raised in this report is incomplete and, in some cases, contradictory.&#8221;, also the marking of conclusions with confidence levels, and the admission at the start that what is really needed is a proper longitudinal study.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wainewright</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Wainewright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice piece of digging, Jon.

I guess this just goes to show that today&#039;s &#039;Google generation&#039; is just like the &#039;permissive society&#039; of the 60s and 70s -- most of us reading about it get the uneasy feeling that everyone else is doing it, and we&#039;re the only ones not getting it ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece of digging, Jon.</p>
<p>I guess this just goes to show that today&#8217;s &#8216;Google generation&#8217; is just like the &#8216;permissive society&#8217; of the 60s and 70s &#8212; most of us reading about it get the uneasy feeling that everyone else is doing it, and we&#8217;re the only ones not getting it &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: alan p</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122497</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alan p]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good note, but its one fact among a whole report that you have fisked. Also, is the alternative hypothesis that the Google Generation is very different any better backed up? I liked this report simply because its research is no worse than most of that that I have seen pimping the opposite point of view, and some of the other points made are correct. 

Two wrongs may not make a right, but they at least give you a believable mean ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good note, but its one fact among a whole report that you have fisked. Also, is the alternative hypothesis that the Google Generation is very different any better backed up? I liked this report simply because its research is no worse than most of that that I have seen pimping the opposite point of view, and some of the other points made are correct. </p>
<p>Two wrongs may not make a right, but they at least give you a believable mean ;)</p>
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		<title>By: mikelbyl</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mikelbyl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, Jon. Going back to the data - if it is even available in any satisfactory form - is very important.

I&#039;ve found similar problems in supposedly serious research papers about the age-related &quot;digital divide&quot; in Canada (basically doesn&#039;t exist except as a function of economic power) and the wide assumptions about Facebook usage (outside of the US, a clear majority of Facebookers are over 25 and a good portion are over 35).

People seem very willing to take some kernel of an idea and take it much further than any data will support. When I see that, I always wonder what the underlying motivation might be...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Jon. Going back to the data &#8211; if it is even available in any satisfactory form &#8211; is very important.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found similar problems in supposedly serious research papers about the age-related &#8220;digital divide&#8221; in Canada (basically doesn&#8217;t exist except as a function of economic power) and the wide assumptions about Facebook usage (outside of the US, a clear majority of Facebookers are over 25 and a good portion are over 35).</p>
<p>People seem very willing to take some kernel of an idea and take it much further than any data will support. When I see that, I always wonder what the underlying motivation might be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Google Generation&#8221; failing? &#171; Infonatives</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8220;Google Generation&#8221; failing? &#171; Infonatives]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Information behaviour of the researcher of the future - Executive summary, but see also Mythbusting the ‘Google generation’ report [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Steve Newman</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Newman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting post.  I found myself spending quite a bit of time trying to read into the graph results and realized that the apparent increase or decrease from one age group to the next seems difficult (and thats being nice) to corrolate at best.  At any age group, the datapoints noted seem to add up to approximately 145% (+/- 10%).  Either the data for the graphic is in error or they allowed any given individual the ability to select more than one preferred means of learning.  Either way the conclusion is the same..bad data = bad results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post.  I found myself spending quite a bit of time trying to read into the graph results and realized that the apparent increase or decrease from one age group to the next seems difficult (and thats being nice) to corrolate at best.  At any age group, the datapoints noted seem to add up to approximately 145% (+/- 10%).  Either the data for the graphic is in error or they allowed any given individual the ability to select more than one preferred means of learning.  Either way the conclusion is the same..bad data = bad results.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Yates</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122486</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Yates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s hear it for good old common sense.  When you cannot even begin to verify information, its relevance and value decreases to zero.  The faster you can determine its relevance the better.  That is where the internet shines.  Consider the example without the internet to assist in determining the value. (ignoring the fact that the question came from the internet to begin with and would have probably not even been a consideration without the internet.)
Or more and faster information just makes bad decision makers make more bad decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hear it for good old common sense.  When you cannot even begin to verify information, its relevance and value decreases to zero.  The faster you can determine its relevance the better.  That is where the internet shines.  Consider the example without the internet to assist in determining the value. (ignoring the fact that the question came from the internet to begin with and would have probably not even been a consideration without the internet.)<br />
Or more and faster information just makes bad decision makers make more bad decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Elmar</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/08/mythbusting-the-google-generation-report/#comment-122485</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elmar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mike: You hit the nail right on the head. They pick up everything by trail and error and... by copying their influencers. Although I am quite Computer-Affine I am having a hard time to beat my son (5) in good old Bomberman on Nintendo DS. 

But I lose trying beat him in playing memory-cards (offline, 60 cards, 20 years old style)! I lost memory-cards against my daughter more than once. They do it effortly while I try to make up all kinds of concepts to remember where those d*** machting pairs were.

I agree that there is no &quot;Google Generation&quot;. It´s just youth applied to current technology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike: You hit the nail right on the head. They pick up everything by trail and error and&#8230; by copying their influencers. Although I am quite Computer-Affine I am having a hard time to beat my son (5) in good old Bomberman on Nintendo DS. </p>
<p>But I lose trying beat him in playing memory-cards (offline, 60 cards, 20 years old style)! I lost memory-cards against my daughter more than once. They do it effortly while I try to make up all kinds of concepts to remember where those d*** machting pairs were.</p>
<p>I agree that there is no &#8220;Google Generation&#8221;. It´s just youth applied to current technology.</p>
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