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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122720</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A delayed observation. Today Marc Andreessen reported on a 2007 meeting with Barack Obama:

http://blog.pmarca.com/2008/03/an-hour-and-a-h.html

He closes with this:

&quot;He said -- and I&#039;m going to paraphrase a little here: think about who I am -- my father was Kenyan; I have close relatives in a small rural village in Kenya to this day; and I spent several years of my childhood living in Jakarta, Indonesia. Think about what it&#039;s going to mean in many parts of the world -- parts of the world that we really care about -- when I show up as the President of the United States.&quot;

Which suggests that the author of this meme may have been -- appropriately, I&#039;d say -- Obama himself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A delayed observation. Today Marc Andreessen reported on a 2007 meeting with Barack Obama:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.pmarca.com/2008/03/an-hour-and-a-h.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.pmarca.com/2008/03/an-hour-and-a-h.html</a></p>
<p>He closes with this:</p>
<p>&#8220;He said &#8212; and I&#8217;m going to paraphrase a little here: think about who I am &#8212; my father was Kenyan; I have close relatives in a small rural village in Kenya to this day; and I spent several years of my childhood living in Jakarta, Indonesia. Think about what it&#8217;s going to mean in many parts of the world &#8212; parts of the world that we really care about &#8212; when I show up as the President of the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which suggests that the author of this meme may have been &#8212; appropriately, I&#8217;d say &#8212; Obama himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122533</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;some lazy Internet researcher will attribute the phrase “the anxiety of influence” &#039;

I think about these effects all the time. For example there are a lot of pages out there that contain &#039;John Udell&#039; but are about me. If you erroneously believe I am John not Jon, you&#039;ll easily find evidence to support that belief, and you will in turn propagate it. Do these errors increase over time? It would make a fascinating study.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;some lazy Internet researcher will attribute the phrase “the anxiety of influence” &#8216;</p>
<p>I think about these effects all the time. For example there are a lot of pages out there that contain &#8216;John Udell&#8217; but are about me. If you erroneously believe I am John not Jon, you&#8217;ll easily find evidence to support that belief, and you will in turn propagate it. Do these errors increase over time? It would make a fascinating study.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Simply restating something that has been, shall we say, ‘going around’, isn’t something that necessarily requires a citation.&quot;

Agreed. There&#039;s also something different about a paragraph-length idea versus a phrase-length one. It would be hard to write &quot;the future is here, it&#039;s just unevenly distributed&quot; without citing William Gibson. But we lack a similarly punchy soundbite for this meme about Obama.

Maybe Twitter&#039;s great contribution will be to help us master the short form!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Simply restating something that has been, shall we say, ‘going around’, isn’t something that necessarily requires a citation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed. There&#8217;s also something different about a paragraph-length idea versus a phrase-length one. It would be hard to write &#8220;the future is here, it&#8217;s just unevenly distributed&#8221; without citing William Gibson. But we lack a similarly punchy soundbite for this meme about Obama.</p>
<p>Maybe Twitter&#8217;s great contribution will be to help us master the short form!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Downes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple things.

First, you write:

&gt; Was Lessig’s paragraph influenced by Sullivan’s, which it’s reasonable to suppose he has read? My guess is that it was. If so, was the influence conscious or unconscious? My guess: unconscious.

For it to have been unconscious, he would have had to have forgotten reading the Sullivan piece, because if he remembered it, the resemblance would have been striking. But Lessig is very smart, and therefore probably would not have forgotten reading the piece. So it probably wasn&#039;t unconscious. 

That doesn&#039;t mean it was an unadulterated list from Sullivan. I&#039;ve actually seen the same sentiment reflected before, over the last year or so. Simply restating something that has been, shall we say, &#039;going around&#039;, isn&#039;t something that necessarily requires a citation.

Second, the idea that you can &quot;Act your way into a new way of thinking&quot; is most certainly not unique to Urich or Pascale. It is actually a staple in psychology and has its genesis in people from the 1800s like William James and Soren Kierkegaard - whose &quot;leap of faith&quot; is the paradigm example of acting your way into a new way of thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple things.</p>
<p>First, you write:</p>
<p>&gt; Was Lessig’s paragraph influenced by Sullivan’s, which it’s reasonable to suppose he has read? My guess is that it was. If so, was the influence conscious or unconscious? My guess: unconscious.</p>
<p>For it to have been unconscious, he would have had to have forgotten reading the Sullivan piece, because if he remembered it, the resemblance would have been striking. But Lessig is very smart, and therefore probably would not have forgotten reading the piece. So it probably wasn&#8217;t unconscious. </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean it was an unadulterated list from Sullivan. I&#8217;ve actually seen the same sentiment reflected before, over the last year or so. Simply restating something that has been, shall we say, &#8216;going around&#8217;, isn&#8217;t something that necessarily requires a citation.</p>
<p>Second, the idea that you can &#8220;Act your way into a new way of thinking&#8221; is most certainly not unique to Urich or Pascale. It is actually a staple in psychology and has its genesis in people from the 1800s like William James and Soren Kierkegaard &#8211; whose &#8220;leap of faith&#8221; is the paradigm example of acting your way into a new way of thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Heller</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122514</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Heller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon, at some point some lazy Internet researcher will attribute the phrase &quot;the anxiety of influence&quot; to you (or even to me) instead of to Harold Bloom, who wrote a whole book about it. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, at some point some lazy Internet researcher will attribute the phrase &#8220;the anxiety of influence&#8221; to you (or even to me) instead of to Harold Bloom, who wrote a whole book about it. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Os plágios e Plágios &#124; Da Correia Fotorreceptora</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122508</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Os plágios e Plágios &#124; Da Correia Fotorreceptora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] em um histórico e conhecimento pré-existente, e é muito propício que Jon Udell tenha escrito um artigo falando sobre o assunto, no qual ele procura a origem de uma citação feita em um blog, e descobre que é muito mais [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] em um histórico e conhecimento pré-existente, e é muito propício que Jon Udell tenha escrito um artigo falando sobre o assunto, no qual ele procura a origem de uma citação feita em um blog, e descobre que é muito mais [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Allen</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122480</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Skewing slightly off the core topic, I have to disagree with the two statements about the mind of the &quot;young muslim&quot;.  I donated to the Obama campaign, and hope he wins, but that kind of rhetoric is dangerously misguided.

For starters, the militants are most active in assassinating and opposing leaders in muslim countries who have browner skin and more &quot;muslim&quot; credentials than Obama.  That is, being a &quot;muslim&quot; leader much closer to the militant position than Obama is, is *no* safety from the wrath of the &quot;young muslim&quot;.

Secondly, it&#039;s easy to see what the svengalis of the &quot;young muslims&quot; would say.  They would say, &quot;America is proven to be a paper tiger, and with just a bit of terror they turn towards Islam; thus the terror works.  More terror and they will submit to the Ummah!&quot;.  This is insanity, but no more insane than the other rationalizations these people use.  The point is that the morons predicting that this would melt the heart of the terrorists are brain-addled.

Having said that, I&#039;ll return to topic by remarking that Stefan raises a good point :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skewing slightly off the core topic, I have to disagree with the two statements about the mind of the &#8220;young muslim&#8221;.  I donated to the Obama campaign, and hope he wins, but that kind of rhetoric is dangerously misguided.</p>
<p>For starters, the militants are most active in assassinating and opposing leaders in muslim countries who have browner skin and more &#8220;muslim&#8221; credentials than Obama.  That is, being a &#8220;muslim&#8221; leader much closer to the militant position than Obama is, is *no* safety from the wrath of the &#8220;young muslim&#8221;.</p>
<p>Secondly, it&#8217;s easy to see what the svengalis of the &#8220;young muslims&#8221; would say.  They would say, &#8220;America is proven to be a paper tiger, and with just a bit of terror they turn towards Islam; thus the terror works.  More terror and they will submit to the Ummah!&#8221;.  This is insanity, but no more insane than the other rationalizations these people use.  The point is that the morons predicting that this would melt the heart of the terrorists are brain-addled.</p>
<p>Having said that, I&#8217;ll return to topic by remarking that Stefan raises a good point :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122471</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;quickly finds this, attributed to one Mr. Curtiss in the NYTimes July 19, 1987.&quot;

Cool!

&quot;I highly doubt he was the originator.&quot;

You&#039;re probably right. What is searchable is by definition fairly recent. To Jim&#039;s point:

&quot;The attribution goes to those that make it the easiest to find.&quot;

Yes. To find, and to link to. And as more and more is findable/linkable, there&#039;s more than just attribution going on. We can say who uses which things in which contexts, for which purposes. We can identify groups and patterns of usage. We can observe how minds influence other minds. 

And maybe we&#039;ll gain a greater appreciation for the synthetic and collaborative nature of all forms of thought and expression.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;quickly finds this, attributed to one Mr. Curtiss in the NYTimes July 19, 1987.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cool!</p>
<p>&#8220;I highly doubt he was the originator.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably right. What is searchable is by definition fairly recent. To Jim&#8217;s point:</p>
<p>&#8220;The attribution goes to those that make it the easiest to find.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. To find, and to link to. And as more and more is findable/linkable, there&#8217;s more than just attribution going on. We can say who uses which things in which contexts, for which purposes. We can identify groups and patterns of usage. We can observe how minds influence other minds. </p>
<p>And maybe we&#8217;ll gain a greater appreciation for the synthetic and collaborative nature of all forms of thought and expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Yates</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122470</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Yates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With the Google intent to make all of the universe searchable, is it not very probable that no matter what you do or say, there is someone who has said something that can be construed as similar or the same before.  I like two vastly different people with points in this area.  Yogi Berra who says something to the effect that, my son and I are similar but our similarities are different.  And comedian George Carlin, who said something to the effect, no one has ever said this before, Please drop a piano on my leg.  Of course, eliminating the premise in the process.
The point is that with all the access to stuff and the ability to find tiny segments it is easy to say it existed previously.  The attribution goes to those that make it the easiest to find.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the Google intent to make all of the universe searchable, is it not very probable that no matter what you do or say, there is someone who has said something that can be construed as similar or the same before.  I like two vastly different people with points in this area.  Yogi Berra who says something to the effect that, my son and I are similar but our similarities are different.  And comedian George Carlin, who said something to the effect, no one has ever said this before, Please drop a piano on my leg.  Of course, eliminating the premise in the process.<br />
The point is that with all the access to stuff and the ability to find tiny segments it is easy to say it existed previously.  The attribution goes to those that make it the easiest to find.</p>
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		<title>By: a. nonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122467</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a. nonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RE: &quot;act your way into new thinking&quot;... 

I heard that advice from oldtimers in AA when I first got sober 12 years ago, and it was old then.  In fact, a quick google of the phrase + &quot;alcoholics anonymous&quot; quickly finds &lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3D8173FF93AA25754C0A961948260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;,   attributed to one Mr. Curtiss in the NYTimes July 19, 1987.  I highly doubt he was the originator.

Nor likely was Nido Qubein, who get credit for a minor variant at various &quot;inspirational quotations&quot; sites.

In the first instance, searching w/in blogs or books won&#039;t find the prior use, since much of AA lore is either oral or private; in the second, the slight paraphrase makes it less findable via quick searching.  

My point being, that although the influence of ideas is indeed growing for a variety of reasons (citation, replication, community formation, etc), the traceability and transparency of that influence may not be keeping pace...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &#8220;act your way into new thinking&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>I heard that advice from oldtimers in AA when I first got sober 12 years ago, and it was old then.  In fact, a quick google of the phrase + &#8220;alcoholics anonymous&#8221; quickly finds <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE3D8173FF93AA25754C0A961948260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">this</a>,   attributed to one Mr. Curtiss in the NYTimes July 19, 1987.  I highly doubt he was the originator.</p>
<p>Nor likely was Nido Qubein, who get credit for a minor variant at various &#8220;inspirational quotations&#8221; sites.</p>
<p>In the first instance, searching w/in blogs or books won&#8217;t find the prior use, since much of AA lore is either oral or private; in the second, the slight paraphrase makes it less findable via quick searching.  </p>
<p>My point being, that although the influence of ideas is indeed growing for a variety of reasons (citation, replication, community formation, etc), the traceability and transparency of that influence may not be keeping pace&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Hayden</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/02/06/the-anxiety-and-celebration-of-influence/#comment-122453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stefan Hayden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think within politics it&#039;s also interesting because there is so much focus on talking points and staying on message. People find ideas and phrases that that catch the publics imagination and then bear repeating and become part of a larger message.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think within politics it&#8217;s also interesting because there is so much focus on talking points and staying on message. People find ideas and phrases that that catch the publics imagination and then bear repeating and become part of a larger message.</p>
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