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		<title>By: Perspectives: Understanding CardSpace with Vittorio Bertocci &#171; Jon Udell</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] recorded a few months ago, and has been waiting for the Perspectives site to launch. In January I excerpted the part about omnidirectional identity, a difficult phrase that I continue to struggle with. Maybe [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: A conversation with Phil Windley about online reputation &#171; Jon Udell</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] course, if my calculations about Joe and your calculations about Joe refer to the same public, or omnidirectional, digital identity, then they can be merged. And by referring to my digital identity and yours, somebody else will be [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Davide Marquês</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/01/02/omnidirectional-or-public-or-broadcast-identity/#comment-121250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davide Marquês]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for getting my comment &quot;back&quot;. :) Oddly enough, now it&#039;s shown twice, the first time in January 5... probably it just got in the moderation queue in the first place. :) Anyway, it got be thinking about the &quot;Data control&quot; issue. Anything that triggers thought is welcome! :)

But getting back to commenting your original post (with clearer ideas now).

Omnidirectional identity/identity projection is *very important* in that it correctly matches the way we manage identities in the real life.
- We have our national ID, medical ID, student&#039;s ID assigned to us by different institutions;
- We control the aggregation (normally in our wallets) and disclosure of our information to others;

While today the trend seems to be towards using Open ID to aggregate your identity in one place, I argue that aggregating one&#039;s identity in one place is bad in that it allows the creation of previously non existing connections between different closed silos - where you might be exposing different personas/facets of your identity. Leading to the possible undesirable overlap of conflicting contexts of one&#039;s life. The aggregation of one&#039;s various online identities should be done in a place under one&#039;s control (from what I&#039;ve read I&#039;m cheering for CardSpaces :)).

I&#039;m not dismissing Open ID. In fact, it&#039;s the perfect match to support omnidirectional identity/identity projection!
I could have Open IDs assigned by the various entities where I&#039;m registered (me@myCountry, me@myHealthSomething, me@myAlumni, me@myCompany) and aggregate them has part of my identity. The institutions would be only identity providers (not consumers of other institution&#039;s IDs) and the aggregation would be made only locally/offline.

Well, using Open ID&#039;s across sites would still be useful but only if 1 Open ID was related with only 1 persona/facet, and persona/facet management was done locally/offline.

The missing piece in getting people to take responsible control of their digital identities is this persona/facets layer (where a person would stitch together her various omnidirectional identifiers). When you start looking at identity this way you&#039;ll probably see the web and its trends in a whole new way. At least I did. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for getting my comment &#8220;back&#8221;. :) Oddly enough, now it&#8217;s shown twice, the first time in January 5&#8230; probably it just got in the moderation queue in the first place. :) Anyway, it got be thinking about the &#8220;Data control&#8221; issue. Anything that triggers thought is welcome! :)</p>
<p>But getting back to commenting your original post (with clearer ideas now).</p>
<p>Omnidirectional identity/identity projection is *very important* in that it correctly matches the way we manage identities in the real life.<br />
- We have our national ID, medical ID, student&#8217;s ID assigned to us by different institutions;<br />
- We control the aggregation (normally in our wallets) and disclosure of our information to others;</p>
<p>While today the trend seems to be towards using Open ID to aggregate your identity in one place, I argue that aggregating one&#8217;s identity in one place is bad in that it allows the creation of previously non existing connections between different closed silos &#8211; where you might be exposing different personas/facets of your identity. Leading to the possible undesirable overlap of conflicting contexts of one&#8217;s life. The aggregation of one&#8217;s various online identities should be done in a place under one&#8217;s control (from what I&#8217;ve read I&#8217;m cheering for CardSpaces :)).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not dismissing Open ID. In fact, it&#8217;s the perfect match to support omnidirectional identity/identity projection!<br />
I could have Open IDs assigned by the various entities where I&#8217;m registered (me@myCountry, me@myHealthSomething, me@myAlumni, me@myCompany) and aggregate them has part of my identity. The institutions would be only identity providers (not consumers of other institution&#8217;s IDs) and the aggregation would be made only locally/offline.</p>
<p>Well, using Open ID&#8217;s across sites would still be useful but only if 1 Open ID was related with only 1 persona/facet, and persona/facet management was done locally/offline.</p>
<p>The missing piece in getting people to take responsible control of their digital identities is this persona/facets layer (where a person would stitch together her various omnidirectional identifiers). When you start looking at identity this way you&#8217;ll probably see the web and its trends in a whole new way. At least I did. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Data Control at DO</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] other day I dropped what I thought to be a pretty constructive comment over at Jon Udell&#8217;s Omnidirectional (or public, or broadcast) identity pointing to personas and mentioning the research done by Jonathan Vanasco of FindMeOn and danah [...]

[Jon: Not sure what happened, but I found a copy of it on your blog, so here it is:]

I’ve been wondering about the same subject recently and it is my believe that somewhere along the way we dropped the chance to build a nice personas/facets layer between people and internet services. Tough luck… 

I think the missing concept is that of personas. Not the limited ones same some Open ID providers support, but those described by danah boyd in her thesis http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/danah/thesis/.
Jonathan Vanasco has a good implementation of these ideas with findmeon.com (more details over at http://destructuring.net/IdentityResearch/) but I think the real solution should go even further in order to give users control over their social &gt;unified&lt; graph and their online presence - both managed from a persona/facet perspective.

I would like to go deeper in what I’m ranting about, but this is just from the top of my head. Eventually I’ll have to take some time to write these ideas down. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] other day I dropped what I thought to be a pretty constructive comment over at Jon Udell&#8217;s Omnidirectional (or public, or broadcast) identity pointing to personas and mentioning the research done by Jonathan Vanasco of FindMeOn and danah [...]</p>
<p>[Jon: Not sure what happened, but I found a copy of it on your blog, so here it is:]</p>
<p>I’ve been wondering about the same subject recently and it is my believe that somewhere along the way we dropped the chance to build a nice personas/facets layer between people and internet services. Tough luck… </p>
<p>I think the missing concept is that of personas. Not the limited ones same some Open ID providers support, but those described by danah boyd in her thesis <a href="http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/danah/thesis/" rel="nofollow">http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/danah/thesis/</a>.<br />
Jonathan Vanasco has a good implementation of these ideas with findmeon.com (more details over at <a href="http://destructuring.net/IdentityResearch/" rel="nofollow">http://destructuring.net/IdentityResearch/</a>) but I think the real solution should go even further in order to give users control over their social &gt;unified&lt; graph and their online presence &#8211; both managed from a persona/facet perspective.</p>
<p>I would like to go deeper in what I’m ranting about, but this is just from the top of my head. Eventually I’ll have to take some time to write these ideas down.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal Van Hecke</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/01/02/omnidirectional-or-public-or-broadcast-identity/#comment-119149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pascal Van Hecke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This duality exists within the OpenID concept as well.

Some people perceive OpenID as a single sign on utility, without the need to correlate their behaviour at different openID consumers - in OpenID 2.0, there&#039;s even a way to prevent that: OpenID 2 directed identity.

For others, OpenID is a way to claim ownership of a page, posting, site activity: they want to explicitly link  up these disparate activities using their Openid/public identity URL.

What you call Omnidirectional identity, Simon willison calls Identity projection, see: 
http://simonwillison.net/2008/Jan/7/projection/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This duality exists within the OpenID concept as well.</p>
<p>Some people perceive OpenID as a single sign on utility, without the need to correlate their behaviour at different openID consumers &#8211; in OpenID 2.0, there&#8217;s even a way to prevent that: OpenID 2 directed identity.</p>
<p>For others, OpenID is a way to claim ownership of a page, posting, site activity: they want to explicitly link  up these disparate activities using their Openid/public identity URL.</p>
<p>What you call Omnidirectional identity, Simon willison calls Identity projection, see:<br />
<a href="http://simonwillison.net/2008/Jan/7/projection/" rel="nofollow">http://simonwillison.net/2008/Jan/7/projection/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Davide Marquês</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/01/02/omnidirectional-or-public-or-broadcast-identity/#comment-116687</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davide Marquês]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 06:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jon,

I&#039;ve been wondering about the same subject recently and it is my believe that somewhere along the way we dropped the chance to build a nice personas/facets layer between people and internet services. Tough luck... :&#124;

I think the missing concept is that of personas. Not the limited ones same some Open ID providers support, but those described by danah boyd in her thesis http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/danah/thesis/.
Jonathan Vanasco has a good implementation of these ideas with findmeon.com (more details over at http://destructuring.net/IdentityResearch/) but I think the real solution should go even further in order to give users control over their social &gt;unified&lt; graph and their online presence - both managed from a persona/facet perspective.

I would like to go deeper in what I&#039;m ranting about, but this is just from the top of my head. Eventually I&#039;ll have to take some time to write these ideas down. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jon,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering about the same subject recently and it is my believe that somewhere along the way we dropped the chance to build a nice personas/facets layer between people and internet services. Tough luck&#8230; :|</p>
<p>I think the missing concept is that of personas. Not the limited ones same some Open ID providers support, but those described by danah boyd in her thesis <a href="http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/danah/thesis/" rel="nofollow">http://smg.media.mit.edu/people/danah/thesis/</a>.<br />
Jonathan Vanasco has a good implementation of these ideas with findmeon.com (more details over at <a href="http://destructuring.net/IdentityResearch/" rel="nofollow">http://destructuring.net/IdentityResearch/</a>) but I think the real solution should go even further in order to give users control over their social &gt;unified&lt; graph and their online presence &#8211; both managed from a persona/facet perspective.</p>
<p>I would like to go deeper in what I&#8217;m ranting about, but this is just from the top of my head. Eventually I&#8217;ll have to take some time to write these ideas down. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Vittorio</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/01/02/omnidirectional-or-public-or-broadcast-identity/#comment-116557</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vittorio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; PGP / Thawte

The problem is not only about finding &quot;universal&quot; *credentials*. It is about enabling an *identity*-conscious ecosystem to thrive (for the differences between identity and credentials see http://blogs.msdn.com/vbertocci/archive/2007/06/11/credentials-vs-identity-authentication-vs-what.aspx or http://www.amazon.com/dp/0321496841). If we consider also the omnidirectional case, that includes regulating how others access your identity rather than you just proving who you are. Proving who you are (..to whom?) may be the starting point, if you want, but what&#039;s left to discover is what should happen before and after that in order to have a sustainable system and protect the interests of all the actors involved.
Even if the problem would be handling universal credentials, unfortunately committing to a single technology would not do. Jon mentions that PGP would not work for non-geeks, ofr example; you can pretty much find some shortcoming for every technology that will make it non eligible for some use; that&#039;s the reason for which a meta-system is needed :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; PGP / Thawte</p>
<p>The problem is not only about finding &#8220;universal&#8221; *credentials*. It is about enabling an *identity*-conscious ecosystem to thrive (for the differences between identity and credentials see <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/vbertocci/archive/2007/06/11/credentials-vs-identity-authentication-vs-what.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/vbertocci/archive/2007/06/11/credentials-vs-identity-authentication-vs-what.aspx</a> or <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0321496841" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/dp/0321496841</a>). If we consider also the omnidirectional case, that includes regulating how others access your identity rather than you just proving who you are. Proving who you are (..to whom?) may be the starting point, if you want, but what&#8217;s left to discover is what should happen before and after that in order to have a sustainable system and protect the interests of all the actors involved.<br />
Even if the problem would be handling universal credentials, unfortunately committing to a single technology would not do. Jon mentions that PGP would not work for non-geeks, ofr example; you can pretty much find some shortcoming for every technology that will make it non eligible for some use; that&#8217;s the reason for which a meta-system is needed :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/01/02/omnidirectional-or-public-or-broadcast-identity/#comment-116140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; PGP / Thawte

Yes, been there and done that. The conclusion was that these strategies were OK for me, but not for non-geek civilians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; PGP / Thawte</p>
<p>Yes, been there and done that. The conclusion was that these strategies were OK for me, but not for non-geek civilians.</p>
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		<title>By: MSDN Blog Postings &#187; On ProofTokens</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/01/02/omnidirectional-or-public-or-broadcast-identity/#comment-115953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MSDN Blog Postings &#187; On ProofTokens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] take a break from the visionary stuff (but I&#8217;ll get back on that, especially now that Jon chimed in) and get some good old WS-* [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Vibro.NET : On ProofTokens</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/01/02/omnidirectional-or-public-or-broadcast-identity/#comment-115945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vibro.NET : On ProofTokens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] take a break from the visionary stuff (but I&#039;ll get back on that, especially now that Jon chimed in) and get some good old WS-* [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] take a break from the visionary stuff (but I&#8217;ll get back on that, especially now that Jon chimed in) and get some good old WS-* [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2008/01/02/omnidirectional-or-public-or-broadcast-identity/#comment-115738</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I used them to sign my emails, and would have used them to sign my postings to the Net if there had been any kind of ecosystem in place to recognize and honor those assertions of identity. There wasn’t, and there still isn’t.&quot;

Uh, isn&#039;t that exactly what the PGP web of trust is? If you remain wedded to your SSL certificate, there&#039;s there &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thawte.com/secure-email/web-of-trust-wot/wot_does.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thawte web of trust&lt;/a&gt; which looks a lot like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/FAQ/AssuranceDetails&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CACert assurance process&lt;/a&gt; - get your identity validated to earn trust points, once you have enough you can start validating other people yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I used them to sign my emails, and would have used them to sign my postings to the Net if there had been any kind of ecosystem in place to recognize and honor those assertions of identity. There wasn’t, and there still isn’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, isn&#8217;t that exactly what the PGP web of trust is? If you remain wedded to your SSL certificate, there&#8217;s there <a href="http://www.thawte.com/secure-email/web-of-trust-wot/wot_does.html" rel="nofollow">Thawte web of trust</a> which looks a lot like the <a href="http://wiki.cacert.org/wiki/FAQ/AssuranceDetails" rel="nofollow">CACert assurance process</a> &#8211; get your identity validated to earn trust points, once you have enough you can start validating other people yourself.</p>
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