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		<title>By: Management jon &#124; Mrdoonline</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-166968</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Management jon &#124; Mrdoonline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 04:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Discovering versus teaching principles of social information[...] Discovering versus teaching principles of social information management &#171; Jon Udell John Udell speaks to the many ways of utilizing Del.icio.us bookmarking for more than private bookmarking (tags: johnudell bookmarking delicious bookmarks socialmedia) [...] [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Discovering versus teaching principles of social information[...] Discovering versus teaching principles of social information management &#171; Jon Udell John Udell speaks to the many ways of utilizing Del.icio.us bookmarking for more than private bookmarking (tags: johnudell bookmarking delicious bookmarks socialmedia) [...] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tag You&#8217;re It &#171; psychosocialeducationalist</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-149453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tag You&#8217;re It &#171; psychosocialeducationalist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Udell&#8217;s blog about the use of tagging was right on the mark for me.  http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-man... I think the vast change that has occurred in internet programs Facebook, blogs, tagging, etc.  is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Udell&#8217;s blog about the use of tagging was right on the mark for me.  <a href="http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-man" rel="nofollow">http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-man</a>&#8230; I think the vast change that has occurred in internet programs Facebook, blogs, tagging, etc.  is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How George Bailey can save Delicious &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-144114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How George Bailey can save Delicious &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Can George Bailey save Delicious? &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-144108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can George Bailey save Delicious? &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Evolving meaning of &#8216;social networking&#8217; &#171; Bluesky</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-137244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evolving meaning of &#8216;social networking&#8217; &#171; Bluesky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] many people to use some of the social bookmarking tools available. I would say that I agree with the second reason that Jon Udell gives as to why social bookmarking has not caught on like blogs or other web 2.0 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] many people to use some of the social bookmarking tools available. I would say that I agree with the second reason that Jon Udell gives as to why social bookmarking has not caught on like blogs or other web 2.0 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: marcusdreams</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-125481</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marcusdreams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the eve of the displace of its new music place, MySpace EQ2 plat said today that EMI Forgather, which counts the Object anulus Coldplay (visualised above) among its jewels, is now tack of the distribution stakes that already includes the remaining trine top transcription companies.http://www.fujoe.com/fujoe/answers.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the eve of the displace of its new music place, MySpace EQ2 plat said today that EMI Forgather, which counts the Object anulus Coldplay (visualised above) among its jewels, is now tack of the distribution stakes that already includes the remaining trine top transcription companies.<a href="http://www.fujoe.com/fujoe/answers.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fujoe.com/fujoe/answers.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: vinod1000</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-125105</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vinod1000]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Social Bookmarking is an art of gaining high rank in search engines , you can get high PR social bookmarking backlinks from http://www.bookmarking-service.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Bookmarking is an art of gaining high rank in search engines , you can get high PR social bookmarking backlinks from <a href="http://www.bookmarking-service.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookmarking-service.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Slemp</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-124824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Slemp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Occurs to me that &quot;collaborative list curation&quot; is solving the same thing as Twitter&#039;s #hashtags... democratically derived categories for grouping comments/URLs. Perhaps that&#039;s one method of describing that value prop for social bookmarking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occurs to me that &#8220;collaborative list curation&#8221; is solving the same thing as Twitter&#8217;s #hashtags&#8230; democratically derived categories for grouping comments/URLs. Perhaps that&#8217;s one method of describing that value prop for social bookmarking.</p>
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		<title>By: Stonewall Farm, Darby Brook Farm, and the collaborative curation of data &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-123263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stonewall Farm, Darby Brook Farm, and the collaborative curation of data &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] like to be able to recommend the sort of loosely-coupled collaborative list-making method that works so effectively for me. But here&#8217;s why I can&#8217;t. The method presumes [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like to be able to recommend the sort of loosely-coupled collaborative list-making method that works so effectively for me. But here&#8217;s why I can&#8217;t. The method presumes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Info architecture work that sometimes makes my head hurt &#171; just write click</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-122459</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Info architecture work that sometimes makes my head hurt &#171; just write click]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] great post about potential reasons why del.icio.us hasn&#8217;t really gone mainstream, Discovering versus teaching social information management.  I think my own tag merging and pruning best practices need work.  My favorite lines are from [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] great post about potential reasons why del.icio.us hasn&#8217;t really gone mainstream, Discovering versus teaching social information management.  I think my own tag merging and pruning best practices need work.  My favorite lines are from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Carswell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-122255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Carswell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KISS :-)
del.icio.us might be flawed, but it&#039;s simple.  I&#039;m not convinced that those who &#039;don&#039;t get it&#039; are in that state of mind because there aren&#039;t more bells and whistles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KISS :-)<br />
del.icio.us might be flawed, but it&#8217;s simple.  I&#8217;m not convinced that those who &#8216;don&#8217;t get it&#8217; are in that state of mind because there aren&#8217;t more bells and whistles.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schinkel</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-120863</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Schinkel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@engtech:  I never tag things consistently.

Don&#039;t blame yourself, blame the tool. Nobody tags consistently (except for the hyper-excessively anal), so a &quot;better&quot; del.icio.us would make that irrelevent.  Said another way, never blame the user; blame the user interaction designer for having a less than optimal user interaction design.

Anyway, I was just using del.icio.us for exactly the type of reason Jon starts out his post discussing, i.e. tagging some URLs so I could send a list of items to a friend, and I identified six *more* things I think del.icio.us should do:

1.) I want a thumbnail of the website so I can view a list of my URLs and hopefully remember the site where the URL came from.

2.) I want an expandable/collapsible view for each URL where the URL&#039;s page is displayed in an iframe below the URL. I want to be able to expand &amp; collapse them individually as well as be able to expand &amp; collapse all at once.

3.) I want to be able to rate each one in the context of a tag. i.e. if I have articles tagged with &quot;AJAX&quot; I&#039;d like to be able to rate 1 to 5 for the tag &quot;AJAX&quot;, even if I tagged the URL with something else, like &quot;REST&quot; (IOW, maybe I&#039;d want to say it is a &quot;5&quot; for REST but only a &quot;3&quot; for &quot;AJAX&quot;)

4.) I&#039;d like to be able to define the order in which they are listed on a by-tag basis, and also if there are sticky ones (i.e. &quot;always show these two first, then the rest in reverse chronological order or the rest by descending rating, etc.)

5.) When I tag a URL I&#039;d like del.icio.us to do a little comparision to other tagged URLs on the system with the same base URL and ask if I should tag what might be the canonical URL instead (i.e. if I try to tag a URL that has a marketing tracking code it would be nice for del.icio.us to notice that the base URL is the same and that frankly the content for the one with tracking code and the one without are essentially the same as well and have del.icio.us ask me which one I want similar to how Digg works on news item submission.)

6.) And lastly I&#039;d like as a site owner to be able to ask del.icio.us to re-evaluate my URLs for 301 redirects on a site, a path, and/or a invididual URL basis. For this not to cause heartburn for users, they would need to add two options when tagging: &quot;Update URL is URL changes&quot; vs. &quot;Never update URL&quot; and &quot;Delete URL if site goes offline for 30+ days&quot; vs. &quot;Never delete URL.&quot;

Anyway, add these 6 capabilities with the prior 6 I quotes and I think del.icio.us&#039; usage would skyrocket.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@engtech:  I never tag things consistently.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame yourself, blame the tool. Nobody tags consistently (except for the hyper-excessively anal), so a &#8220;better&#8221; del.icio.us would make that irrelevent.  Said another way, never blame the user; blame the user interaction designer for having a less than optimal user interaction design.</p>
<p>Anyway, I was just using del.icio.us for exactly the type of reason Jon starts out his post discussing, i.e. tagging some URLs so I could send a list of items to a friend, and I identified six *more* things I think del.icio.us should do:</p>
<p>1.) I want a thumbnail of the website so I can view a list of my URLs and hopefully remember the site where the URL came from.</p>
<p>2.) I want an expandable/collapsible view for each URL where the URL&#8217;s page is displayed in an iframe below the URL. I want to be able to expand &amp; collapse them individually as well as be able to expand &amp; collapse all at once.</p>
<p>3.) I want to be able to rate each one in the context of a tag. i.e. if I have articles tagged with &#8220;AJAX&#8221; I&#8217;d like to be able to rate 1 to 5 for the tag &#8220;AJAX&#8221;, even if I tagged the URL with something else, like &#8220;REST&#8221; (IOW, maybe I&#8217;d want to say it is a &#8220;5&#8243; for REST but only a &#8220;3&#8243; for &#8220;AJAX&#8221;)</p>
<p>4.) I&#8217;d like to be able to define the order in which they are listed on a by-tag basis, and also if there are sticky ones (i.e. &#8220;always show these two first, then the rest in reverse chronological order or the rest by descending rating, etc.)</p>
<p>5.) When I tag a URL I&#8217;d like del.icio.us to do a little comparision to other tagged URLs on the system with the same base URL and ask if I should tag what might be the canonical URL instead (i.e. if I try to tag a URL that has a marketing tracking code it would be nice for del.icio.us to notice that the base URL is the same and that frankly the content for the one with tracking code and the one without are essentially the same as well and have del.icio.us ask me which one I want similar to how Digg works on news item submission.)</p>
<p>6.) And lastly I&#8217;d like as a site owner to be able to ask del.icio.us to re-evaluate my URLs for 301 redirects on a site, a path, and/or a invididual URL basis. For this not to cause heartburn for users, they would need to add two options when tagging: &#8220;Update URL is URL changes&#8221; vs. &#8220;Never update URL&#8221; and &#8220;Delete URL if site goes offline for 30+ days&#8221; vs. &#8220;Never delete URL.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, add these 6 capabilities with the prior 6 I quotes and I think del.icio.us&#8217; usage would skyrocket.</p>
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		<title>By: engtech</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-118754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[engtech]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only issue I have have with delicious is my own fault: I never tag things consistently. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only issue I have have with delicious is my own fault: I never tag things consistently. :)</p>
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		<title>By: bentrem</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-118728</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bentrem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Whot, JUdell doesn&#039;t tweet?! *grin*)

Belated HNY and best for &#039;08 John; got behind the curve these past weeks.

Laterally related, a new study [1] shows (ironically?) that folk who create formal teachings resources are themselves usually self-taught and usually engage in more informal teaching/learning processes. Which for me a) shows why I&#039;m out of sync with them historically, since my theory is in-formed by the actualities of my experience and practice, and b) makes me wonder if they&#039;re only (only?!) responding to market forces in what they&#039;re producing.

cheers
--bentrem

[1] http://informl.com/2007/12/18/the-cobblers-children/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Whot, JUdell doesn&#8217;t tweet?! *grin*)</p>
<p>Belated HNY and best for &#8217;08 John; got behind the curve these past weeks.</p>
<p>Laterally related, a new study [1] shows (ironically?) that folk who create formal teachings resources are themselves usually self-taught and usually engage in more informal teaching/learning processes. Which for me a) shows why I&#8217;m out of sync with them historically, since my theory is in-formed by the actualities of my experience and practice, and b) makes me wonder if they&#8217;re only (only?!) responding to market forces in what they&#8217;re producing.</p>
<p>cheers<br />
&#8211;bentrem</p>
<p>[1] <a href="http://informl.com/2007/12/18/the-cobblers-children/" rel="nofollow">http://informl.com/2007/12/18/the-cobblers-children/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schinkel</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/12/discovering-versus-teaching-principles-of-social-information-management/#comment-118513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Schinkel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, one of those URLs had a trailing colon:

http://del.icio.us/mikeschinkel/urls:

Should have been:

http://del.icio.us/mikeschinkel/urls]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, one of those URLs had a trailing colon:</p>
<p><a href="http://del.icio.us/mikeschinkel/urls" rel="nofollow">http://del.icio.us/mikeschinkel/urls</a>:</p>
<p>Should have been:</p>
<p><a href="http://del.icio.us/mikeschinkel/urls" rel="nofollow">http://del.icio.us/mikeschinkel/urls</a></p>
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