Comments on: Simile: Semantic web mashups for the rest of us http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/ Strategies for Internet citizens Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:25:17 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Demi Moore http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-130598 Demi Moore Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:53:03 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-130598 "You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today." - Abraham Lincoln <a href='http://www.wikio.com/article/demi-moore-136300822' rel="nofollow">Demi Moore</a> “You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today.” – Abraham Lincoln
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]]> By: Meme tracking with Twitter and Timeline « Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-125503 Meme tracking with Twitter and Timeline « Jon Udell Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:02:45 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-125503 [...] of the nice features of Timeline, one of David Huynh’s many ingenious creations, is this condensed summary of [...] [...] of the nice features of Timeline, one of David Huynh’s many ingenious creations, is this condensed summary of [...]

]]> By: Motivating people to write the semantic web: A conversation with David Huynh about Parallax « Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-125085 Motivating people to write the semantic web: A conversation with David Huynh about Parallax « Jon Udell Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:18:07 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-125085 [...] Innovators show I got together with David Huynh, whose work with MIT’s Project SIMILE wowed me last year. David recently joined Metaweb. His first project, Parallax, creates a new way to browse [...] [...] Innovators show I got together with David Huynh, whose work with MIT’s Project SIMILE wowed me last year. David recently joined Metaweb. His first project, Parallax, creates a new way to browse [...]

]]> By: Semi-structured database records for social tagging | MyNewsPlus.com http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-124372 Semi-structured database records for social tagging | MyNewsPlus.com Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:00:32 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-124372 [...] my writeup on MIT’s Project Simile, and again in my talk at the CUSEC conference, I lauded an approach to collective information [...] [...] my writeup on MIT’s Project Simile, and again in my talk at the CUSEC conference, I lauded an approach to collective information [...]

]]> By: Semi-structured database records for social tagging | RatZine - Rat stinkin news http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-124320 Semi-structured database records for social tagging | RatZine - Rat stinkin news Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:38:40 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-124320 [...] my writeup on MIT’s Project Simile, and again in my talk at the CUSEC conference, I lauded an approach to collective information [...] [...] my writeup on MIT’s Project Simile, and again in my talk at the CUSEC conference, I lauded an approach to collective information [...]

]]> By: netcaetera.ro » Blog Archive » Semi-structured database records for social tagging http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-124273 netcaetera.ro » Blog Archive » Semi-structured database records for social tagging Sat, 31 May 2008 18:18:06 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-124273 [...] my writeup on MIT’s Project Simile, and again in my talk at the CUSEC conference, I lauded an approach to collective information [...] [...] my writeup on MIT’s Project Simile, and again in my talk at the CUSEC conference, I lauded an approach to collective information [...]

]]> By: Semi-structured database records for social tagging « Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-123503 Semi-structured database records for social tagging « Jon Udell Mon, 19 May 2008 13:41:20 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-123503 [...] social tagging Posted by Jon Udell under Uncategorized   In my writeup on MIT’s Project Simile, and again in my talk at the CUSEC conference, I lauded an approach to collective information [...] [...] social tagging Posted by Jon Udell under Uncategorized   In my writeup on MIT’s Project Simile, and again in my talk at the CUSEC conference, I lauded an approach to collective information [...]

]]> By: Stefano’s Linotype » Blog Archive » Timeplot and Software that Gives you Questions, not Answers http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-106385 Stefano’s Linotype » Blog Archive » Timeplot and Software that Gives you Questions, not Answers Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:29:38 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-106385 [...] week, I finally had the pleasure to meet Jon Udell in person (and impress him with our work at [...] [...] week, I finally had the pleasure to meet Jon Udell in person (and impress him with our work at [...]

]]> By: links for 2007-12-12 « Talkabout http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-104029 links for 2007-12-12 « Talkabout Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:41:05 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-104029 [...] Simile: Semantic web mashups for the rest of us « Jon Udell “I’m not suggesting that ontologies will play no role, but I’ve long believed that we need to evolve toward them from real data that people can create, use interactively, and begin to cross-combine. That’s exactly the approach that Simile is taking. (tags: judell mit rdf javascript mashup json web2 semweb onotology critique review ajax) [...] [...] Simile: Semantic web mashups for the rest of us « Jon Udell “I’m not suggesting that ontologies will play no role, but I’ve long believed that we need to evolve toward them from real data that people can create, use interactively, and begin to cross-combine. That’s exactly the approach that Simile is taking. (tags: judell mit rdf javascript mashup json web2 semweb onotology critique review ajax) [...]

]]> By: Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-101314 Jon Udell Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:02:00 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-101314 Leigh: Regarding http://www.ldodds.com/blog/archives/000314.html, you say: "Small vocabularies, loosely joined is the order of the day." That sounds great. More elucidation of the principle, as you do there, will be very helpful. Leigh: Regarding http://www.ldodds.com/blog/archives/000314.html, you say: “Small vocabularies, loosely joined is the order of the day.” That sounds great. More elucidation of the principle, as you do there, will be very helpful.

]]> By: Leigh Dodds http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-101242 Leigh Dodds Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:47:24 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-101242 Hi Jon, Nice write-up of the Simile tools, there's a lot of great work being done there. I wanted to comment on your suggestion that a stance of "Everybody gets to name their fields as they prefer, and mashup tools like Potluck can define equivalences among them" is somehow going "AWOL" from the semantic web approach. To me, that seems to be a key part of the whole effort, that one doesn't need to fight ontology wars to gain adoption; the fact that some people do fight those wars, or think thats a necessary step, is a separate issue. I've been trying to explore some benefits of RDF toolkits for data merging, and tease out some of these issues in some recent blog postings: http://www.ldodds.com/blog/archives/000314.html http://www.ldodds.com/blog/archives/000316.html I totally agree though that no-one (or users anyway) really need care about the RDF underneath all this, it should ultimately fade into the background. Hi Jon,

Nice write-up of the Simile tools, there’s a lot of great work being done there.

I wanted to comment on your suggestion that a stance of “Everybody gets to name their fields as they prefer, and mashup tools like Potluck can define equivalences among them” is somehow going “AWOL” from the semantic web approach. To me, that seems to be a key part of the whole effort, that one doesn’t need to fight ontology wars to gain adoption; the fact that some people do fight those wars, or think thats a necessary step, is a separate issue.

I’ve been trying to explore some benefits of RDF toolkits for data merging, and tease out some of these issues in some recent blog postings:

http://www.ldodds.com/blog/archives/000314.html http://www.ldodds.com/blog/archives/000316.html

I totally agree though that no-one (or users anyway) really need care about the RDF underneath all this, it should ultimately fade into the background.

]]> By: Ben Hyde http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-100950 Ben Hyde Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:59:22 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-100950 Thanks Jon, from the entire Simile team, what a great writeup. It is such a delight when other folks "get it." Thanks Jon, from the entire Simile team, what a great writeup. It is such a delight when other folks “get it.”

]]> By: Tom Morris http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-100896 Tom Morris Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:39:08 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/12/06/simile-semantic-web-mashups-for-the-rest-of-us/#comment-100896 Piggy Bank and so on are interesting, but I think decent libraries for RDF parsing and querying in languages like Python and Ruby will probably be the sweet spot for mashups. For instance, Python's rdflib has made it very easy for me to build RDF-based applications - certainly a lot, lot quicker than Jena and ARQ. If the W3C can work on a SPARQL equivalent for SQL's UPDATE and INSERT, even more interesting things can happen. Piggy Bank and so on are interesting, but I think decent libraries for RDF parsing and querying in languages like Python and Ruby will probably be the sweet spot for mashups. For instance, Python’s rdflib has made it very easy for me to build RDF-based applications – certainly a lot, lot quicker than Jena and ARQ.

If the W3C can work on a SPARQL equivalent for SQL’s UPDATE and INSERT, even more interesting things can happen.

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