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	<title>Comments on: Chris Gemignani recreates a New York Times infographic in Excel</title>
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		<title>By: salman</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/07/30/chris-gemignani-recreates-a-new-york-times-infographic-in-excel/#comment-136645</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[salman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nice post. 1.4 million new cases ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice post. 1.4 million new cases ?</p>
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		<title>By: Saim Baig</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saim Baig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well this shows the potential in Excel.How much we can get from it.Nice work by the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this shows the potential in Excel.How much we can get from it.Nice work by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Woodward</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/07/30/chris-gemignani-recreates-a-new-york-times-infographic-in-excel/#comment-52041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stuart Woodward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used to work on the charting portion of Lotus 1-2-3 in Japan and I always found that the best charts for tests cases were those that actually used real data. It was an educational exercise to take a Japanese newspaper and copy all of the charts in the newspaper using the charting features of 1-2-3. The charts in the Economics magazine also make good test cases. In both cases copying the chart usually initially involved turning off most of the features that are turned on by default to a make clean, simple, but striking, chart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work on the charting portion of Lotus 1-2-3 in Japan and I always found that the best charts for tests cases were those that actually used real data. It was an educational exercise to take a Japanese newspaper and copy all of the charts in the newspaper using the charting features of 1-2-3. The charts in the Economics magazine also make good test cases. In both cases copying the chart usually initially involved turning off most of the features that are turned on by default to a make clean, simple, but striking, chart.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/07/30/chris-gemignani-recreates-a-new-york-times-infographic-in-excel/#comment-45270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It’s not just Excel. Seems like the Lotus Notes folks are playing fun games with graphs where graphs aren’t supposed to exist:&quot;


Nice.

&quot;Trying to draw conclusions from data that is likely ‘dirty’ is often a fools errand. Probably the best you can do, is find interesting trends and then try and get good clean data collected - the whole scientific method thing.&quot;

That&#039;s a great point. It has to be an iterative process. You get hold of some data, you make some general observations, you discover the limitations that prevent more useful observations, and you (hopefully) create incentive to collect more/better data for another turn of the crank.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s not just Excel. Seems like the Lotus Notes folks are playing fun games with graphs where graphs aren’t supposed to exist:&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
<p>&#8220;Trying to draw conclusions from data that is likely ‘dirty’ is often a fools errand. Probably the best you can do, is find interesting trends and then try and get good clean data collected &#8211; the whole scientific method thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great point. It has to be an iterative process. You get hold of some data, you make some general observations, you discover the limitations that prevent more useful observations, and you (hopefully) create incentive to collect more/better data for another turn of the crank.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Finner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Finner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting.  I ran across this a couple of days ago:
http://www.juiceanalytics.com/writing/2006/07/lightweight-data-exploration-in-excel/
Check the date.

It&#039;s not just Excel.  Seems like the Lotus Notes folks are playing fun games with graphs where graphs aren&#039;t supposed to exist:
http://www.alanlepofsky.net/alepofsky/alanblog.nsf/dx/gantt-charts-in-lotus-notes?opendocument&amp;comments

If there is any value to the web, it&#039;s that these kinds of clever thinking are published and shared - my entire approach to development in Notes has been turned on its head in the last 6 months because of sites like Interface Matters and Escape Velocity (both referenced in the link above).

Re your data analysis.  You&#039;re running into something pretty common when trying to use data post-hoc.  If you get a big pile-o-data and don&#039;t know everything about how the data was collected, it can be pretty close to impossible to do anything other than make very general observations.  Trying to draw conclusions from data that is likely &#039;dirty&#039; is often a fools errand.  Probably the best you can do, is find interesting trends and then try and get good clean data collected - the whole scientific method thing.

Cool stuff and very glad to see you A) getting the data from the police and B) taking the time to hack it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  I ran across this a couple of days ago:<br />
<a href="http://www.juiceanalytics.com/writing/2006/07/lightweight-data-exploration-in-excel/" rel="nofollow">http://www.juiceanalytics.com/writing/2006/07/lightweight-data-exploration-in-excel/</a><br />
Check the date.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just Excel.  Seems like the Lotus Notes folks are playing fun games with graphs where graphs aren&#8217;t supposed to exist:<br />
<a href="http://www.alanlepofsky.net/alepofsky/alanblog.nsf/dx/gantt-charts-in-lotus-notes?opendocument&#038;comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.alanlepofsky.net/alepofsky/alanblog.nsf/dx/gantt-charts-in-lotus-notes?opendocument&#038;comments</a></p>
<p>If there is any value to the web, it&#8217;s that these kinds of clever thinking are published and shared &#8211; my entire approach to development in Notes has been turned on its head in the last 6 months because of sites like Interface Matters and Escape Velocity (both referenced in the link above).</p>
<p>Re your data analysis.  You&#8217;re running into something pretty common when trying to use data post-hoc.  If you get a big pile-o-data and don&#8217;t know everything about how the data was collected, it can be pretty close to impossible to do anything other than make very general observations.  Trying to draw conclusions from data that is likely &#8216;dirty&#8217; is often a fools errand.  Probably the best you can do, is find interesting trends and then try and get good clean data collected &#8211; the whole scientific method thing.</p>
<p>Cool stuff and very glad to see you A) getting the data from the police and B) taking the time to hack it.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit Agarwal</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amit Agarwal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome. It&#039;s funny that some &quot;pundits&quot; are predicting the death of Excel at the hands of Google Docs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome. It&#8217;s funny that some &#8220;pundits&#8221; are predicting the death of Excel at the hands of Google Docs.</p>
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		<title>By: Nils</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nils]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve only just started making screencasts professionally, but this is one amazing example. Something to look up and aspire to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only just started making screencasts professionally, but this is one amazing example. Something to look up and aspire to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Arnowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Arnowitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 04:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can actually do much more with excel. We actually have been using excel to create prototypes of entire applications. We discuss this in a book we recently wrote, Effective Prototyping for Software Makers. You may want to check it out at: www.effectiveprototyping.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can actually do much more with excel. We actually have been using excel to create prototypes of entire applications. We discuss this in a book we recently wrote, Effective Prototyping for Software Makers. You may want to check it out at: <a href="http://www.effectiveprototyping.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.effectiveprototyping.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Zawodny</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Zawodny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Nathan on this one.  Very cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Nathan on this one.  Very cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. I had no idea that you could do something like that in Excel. If only I had known that for my high school science fair projects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I had no idea that you could do something like that in Excel. If only I had known that for my high school science fair projects.</p>
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