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By: Jon Udell

Jon Udell — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:27:56 +0000

OK thanks. Meanwhile, the # of CHS ’74 classmates on Facebook has grown from 5 in June ’07 to 48 today.

By: Ray O'Brien

Ray O'Brien — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:11:37 +0000

The CHS numbers are higher than you think-and lower. I believe the ’07 class had less than 400 students.

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By: bentrem

bentrem — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:22:01 +0000

*Dang it’s nice to see “Logged in as”!*

John – Reading your blog in NetVibes (Is that not a wizz-bang sweeter than store-bought candy “start page”?!) and I got to thinking about their business model. Which brought me to “Business Models for Start Pages” on Read/Write. (Am I hallucinating? Are we cookin’ with gas or /what/?!) and noticed a lovely synchronicity. Right now in the sidebar of http://tinyurl.com/kywvn is a poll on “When did you register in FaceBook”. (Okay, guys, ‘fess up: how many of us had “multivariate analysis” cross our minds! *holds up hand … blushes*)

I took the liberty of grabbing that portion of screen:
http://bentrem.sycks.net/images/facebook_poll.gif

cheers –bentrem

p.s. If I hadn’t enlisted I’d have graduated ’72. You and I are “of an age”, good sir!

By: Jim Yates

Jim Yates — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:52:57 +0000

Oh, and by the way, I get your stuff with the RSS feed in Yahoo. It is the only way to keep track of your thoughts (which I still value) now that you are not with Infoworld and have gone to the ‘dark side’ ;-)

By: Jim Yates

Jim Yates — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:47:27 +0000

“And the reason I’m bored with the process is that it always involves jumping through hoops that are, from my perspective, unnecessary.”
“…It would be trivial for Facebook to take feeds from Flickr and Eventful…”
I presume that you are referring to RSS style ‘feeds’. This ties into the first quote which is really a plea for ‘standards’. RSS is a ‘standard’ that can be used for certain kinds of interaction and they are easy and work well. I use the Tunefeeds portion of Faces.com to listen to music and it appears in my myyahoo.com homepage. It just works, which is what you are suggesting and I certainly agree. But everyone does not offer this kind of capability. I suspect that it will, however, increase.
By the way, you can listen to it also without being a subscriber to tunefeeds or faces.com in any form. Just go to: http://jmyates.faces.com/TuneFeeds/726755/
Enjoy. And Happy Father’s Day.

By: James

James — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:05:58 +0000

Virb is a social network that pulls in feeds from everywhere, including flickr, an external blog, and soon twitter. More at http://laughingsquid.com/virb-raising-the-bar-for-social-networks/

Mugshot http://mugshot.org/ is basically all about aggregation, but also with a client-side app that keeps you up-to-date on what your friends are doing.

Personally, I’m not going to bother with Facebook until it a) becomes an juggernaut b) it opens up its walled garden so those without accounts (including search engines) can look in.

By: Jon Udell

Jon Udell — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:00:25 +0000

“You love to integrate and you are good at it. Others aren’t.”

I used to enjoy the process as well as the outcome. Increasingly I’m bored with the process, but I continue to value the outcome. And the reason I’m bored with the process is that it always involves jumping through hoops that are, from my perspective, unnecessary.

It would be trivial for Facebook to take feeds from Flickr and Eventful, and source those photos and events into its native apps. Nobody would have to be “good at integration” to accomplish that.

“Generally no application wants you to go to or use other sites to do anything. The idea is to capture your presence and keep it.”

Of course. So Facebook wants me to be present for a certain style of casual interaction, and LinkedIn wants me to be present for a certain style of business-oriented interaction, and I’m willing to be present in those networks for those purposes /if/ they can leverage and enhance my life on the Net.

“Google really does not want you to use Yahoo’s calendar and Yahoo really does not want you to use Google’s email.”

They do, however, still both use standard Internet email, rather than assuming that you’ll only want to converse with others in a Yahoo or Gmail walled garden.

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By: Jim Yates

Jim Yates — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:01:36 +0000

“…Here’s an example of the latter. Facebook invites me to manage streams of photos and events. But I have other ways to manage streams of photos (e.g., Flickr) and events (e.g., Eventful). Why not enable me to hook into them?

The process of diffusion can flow in both directions, I guess, and I hope that it will.”

Generally no application wants you to go to or use other sites to do anything. The idea is to capture your presence and keep it. Most of this has to do with advertising but also to meet all your needs so you do not have to go somewhere else. You love to integrate and you are good at it. Others aren’t. And they do not want to say that someone else does it better than they do. Its human nature and its not bad business. Google really does not want you to use Yahoo’s calendar and Yahoo really does not want you to use Google’s email. And while they kind of work together they really don’t. And never will.
The other reason is the constant catch up that is required when one operation makes changes (to improve their service) and it affects the use of the integrated operation. Consider that twice Yahoo mail attachments have not worked right when your browser is Firefox until Firefox found out about it and upgraded. Messy.

By: Jon Udell

Jon Udell — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:28:15 +0000

“Again, sorry if that’s not what you meant.”

D’oh. It’s exactly what I meant. How stupid of me. Thanks!

By: Jon Udell

Jon Udell — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:27:29 +0000

“I’d consider 4 out of a class graduating in 1974 to be pretty exceptional.”

Note the long dry spell though. It’s not until the class of 1982 that another small clump appears.

“I like Facebook okay, but it reminds me a bit too much of the Prodigy/AOL/etc of the late 80s/early 90s — walled gardens, as you’ve said.”

I should have mentioned the recent introduction of Facebook apps, which Marc Andreessen has analyzed and lauded: http://blog.pmarca.com/2007/06/analyzing_the_f.html. It begins to stitch things together, but geez, there’s a lot to keep track of. Yes, I can go out and get a Flickr Photos app for Facebook and install it into my FB account. But now I’ve got two buckets of photos to manage. Some friends will have photos on both, some one or the other, some on neither. And if my friends want to interact with my Flickr stream in an FB context, they have to add the app into their accounts.

I take Marc’s point about enabling third parties to build apps that weave very tightly into FB. Great for innovation. And given the very controlled architecture for integration, great for FB.

But as somebody who uses FB and Flickr and Eventful, I don’t want to have to go the apps route, I’d like to just flow FB-foreign photos and events into FB-native buckets.