Comments on: Web standards and IE at MIX http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/04/27/web-standards-and-ie-at-mix/ Strategies for Internet citizens Wed, 17 Mar 2010 01:59:11 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: shannonclark http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/04/27/web-standards-and-ie-at-mix/#comment-11496 shannonclark Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:00:06 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/04/27/web-standards-and-ie-at-mix/#comment-11496 Jon, Sorry I'm going to be missing MIX07. A couple of issues, however, that I hope you (and others at Microsoft) will address - both at MIX and in the upcoming year. 1. Browser issues are much more than just Firefox vs. IE - at Microsoft you have too many, differently incompatible browsers - the Mobile IE browser behaves strangely on some sites, IE 7 one way, earlier versions of IE still other ways. 2. Vista seems (at least to this seriously power user) to have introduced a new set of incompatibilities - Firefox on Vista behaves differently than on other platforms - especially around embedded Java apps (since the behavior is to utterly halt and freeze, I haven't been able to troubleshoot what is the actual errors being generated - I suspect it is some bit of Vista security but which is not displaying a message to the user (I'm getting errors to that effect in the error logs). Halting activity without telling me is not good behavior on the part of a security system - especially when it is behavior I specifically want. (what is crashing this is Chris Pirillo's live page - http://chris.pirillo.com/live - in the latest cut of Firefox running on Vista Business edition on a brand new Thinkpad x60) 3. Standards are great - but could Microsoft also be consistent across versions of your own applications? Specifically the .csv export from Outlook 2007 and from Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager is DIFFERENT from earlier "outlook .csv" exports. Different as in the SAME fields are named and organized differently! Huh? Yes, .csv export is about as low tech a way to export/import/exchange data - but why change it dramatically? And further, why not offer an export from tools such as Business Contact Manager in fully standard formats (vCards for example) We should be moving to a world where data - such as our contacts - is migrated around the web for us - but until we reach that ideal, we (as users) should be able to export our data and import it into other systems via the easiest and simplest formats possible (vCards are old but tried and true, even csv was reliable until the latest hiccups). Shannon see also my blog: http://shannonclark.wordpress.com where I have documented my trials and tribulations with Vista and Office 2007. Jon,

Sorry I’m going to be missing MIX07.

A couple of issues, however, that I hope you (and others at Microsoft) will address – both at MIX and in the upcoming year.

1. Browser issues are much more than just Firefox vs. IE – at Microsoft you have too many, differently incompatible browsers – the Mobile IE browser behaves strangely on some sites, IE 7 one way, earlier versions of IE still other ways.

2. Vista seems (at least to this seriously power user) to have introduced a new set of incompatibilities – Firefox on Vista behaves differently than on other platforms – especially around embedded Java apps (since the behavior is to utterly halt and freeze, I haven’t been able to troubleshoot what is the actual errors being generated – I suspect it is some bit of Vista security but which is not displaying a message to the user (I’m getting errors to that effect in the error logs). Halting activity without telling me is not good behavior on the part of a security system – especially when it is behavior I specifically want.

(what is crashing this is Chris Pirillo’s live page – http://chris.pirillo.com/live – in the latest cut of Firefox running on Vista Business edition on a brand new Thinkpad x60)

3. Standards are great – but could Microsoft also be consistent across versions of your own applications? Specifically the .csv export from Outlook 2007 and from Outlook 2007 Business Contact Manager is DIFFERENT from earlier “outlook .csv” exports. Different as in the SAME fields are named and organized differently! Huh?

Yes, .csv export is about as low tech a way to export/import/exchange data – but why change it dramatically? And further, why not offer an export from tools such as Business Contact Manager in fully standard formats (vCards for example)

We should be moving to a world where data – such as our contacts – is migrated around the web for us – but until we reach that ideal, we (as users) should be able to export our data and import it into other systems via the easiest and simplest formats possible (vCards are old but tried and true, even csv was reliable until the latest hiccups).

Shannon

see also my blog: http://shannonclark.wordpress.com where I have documented my trials and tribulations with Vista and Office 2007.

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