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	<title>Comments on: A conversation with Phil Libin about REAL ID</title>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/30/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-real-id/#comment-3552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A reliance on ID cards is based on a dangerous security myth, that if only we knew who everyone was, we could pick the bad guys out of the crowd.&quot;

You&#039;re right. But if we could get to an appropriate balance of accountability and privacy, that would be a good thing. I&#039;ve mentioned the idea of selective disclosure before (http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/02/a-letter-to-the-editor-about-real-id/). REAL ID with its 2d barcode can&#039;t enable that kind of scenario. But if we handle its introduction properly, it could be a stepping stone to a world in which we understand identity cards as tools that empower citizens as well as governments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A reliance on ID cards is based on a dangerous security myth, that if only we knew who everyone was, we could pick the bad guys out of the crowd.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. But if we could get to an appropriate balance of accountability and privacy, that would be a good thing. I&#8217;ve mentioned the idea of selective disclosure before (<a href="http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/02/a-letter-to-the-editor-about-real-id/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/02/a-letter-to-the-editor-about-real-id/</a>). REAL ID with its 2d barcode can&#8217;t enable that kind of scenario. But if we handle its introduction properly, it could be a stepping stone to a world in which we understand identity cards as tools that empower citizens as well as governments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/30/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-real-id/#comment-3550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;what makes the licenses more ’secure’&quot;

It is, as you say, a relative thing. One relative advantage is that the digital photo will also be encoded in the 2d barcode, which will be signed. So relative to what we have today, it would be more resistant to forgery and tampering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what makes the licenses more ’secure’&#8221;</p>
<p>It is, as you say, a relative thing. One relative advantage is that the digital photo will also be encoded in the 2d barcode, which will be signed. So relative to what we have today, it would be more resistant to forgery and tampering.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven&#8217;s Notebook &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-04-01</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/30/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-real-id/#comment-3467</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven&#8217;s Notebook &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-04-01]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 05:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A conversation with Phil Libin about REAL ID « Jon Udell &#8220;The basics of asymmetric cryptography are fundamental concepts that any member of society who wants to understand how the world works, or could work, needs to understand.&#8221; (tags: cryptography RealID) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A conversation with Phil Libin about REAL ID « Jon Udell &#8220;The basics of asymmetric cryptography are fundamental concepts that any member of society who wants to understand how the world works, or could work, needs to understand.&#8221; (tags: cryptography RealID) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin.B</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/30/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-real-id/#comment-3405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gavin.B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FWIW from Bruce Schneier recent blog:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/realid_costs_an.html

But even if we could solve all these problems, and within the putative $11 billion budget, we still wouldn’t be getting very much security. A reliance on ID cards is based on a dangerous security myth, that if only we knew who everyone was, we could pick the bad guys out of the crowd.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW from Bruce Schneier recent blog:<br />
<a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/realid_costs_an.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/realid_costs_an.html</a></p>
<p>But even if we could solve all these problems, and within the putative $11 billion budget, we still wouldn’t be getting very much security. A reliance on ID cards is based on a dangerous security myth, that if only we knew who everyone was, we could pick the bad guys out of the crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeD</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/30/a-conversation-with-phil-libin-about-real-id/#comment-3389</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mentioned &quot;the more secure state driver’s licenses mandated by the REAL ID act.&quot; but you do not link to a description of what makes the licenses more &#039;secure&#039;. As you know, security is relative and you should point out what is being secured. I believe that these licenses - and other REAL ID inspired technologies - are more /traceable/ but do not really provide security to the holder of the license. It doesn&#039;t seem like cardholder security is the actual goal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned &#8220;the more secure state driver’s licenses mandated by the REAL ID act.&#8221; but you do not link to a description of what makes the licenses more &#8216;secure&#8217;. As you know, security is relative and you should point out what is being secured. I believe that these licenses &#8211; and other REAL ID inspired technologies &#8211; are more /traceable/ but do not really provide security to the holder of the license. It doesn&#8217;t seem like cardholder security is the actual goal.</p>
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