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		<title>By: Lucy-Kaas</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-129671</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy-Kaas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, that sound&#039;s so easy if you think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, that sound&#8217;s so easy if you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Svein Ølnes</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-120749</link>
		<dc:creator>Svein Ølnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to read about Freebase. But it really reminds me about the semantic standard Topic Maps (ISO 13250). As in Topic Maps topics are essential and they have types (topic types). There are also associations between topics. So why not use the standard Topic Maps and open it up like it&#039;s done in Freebase?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to read about Freebase. But it really reminds me about the semantic standard Topic Maps (ISO 13250). As in Topic Maps topics are essential and they have types (topic types). There are also associations between topics. So why not use the standard Topic Maps and open it up like it&#8217;s done in Freebase?</p>
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		<title>By: Kiran Bettadapur</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-9205</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiran Bettadapur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cylive (http://www.cylive.com) is another platform that embeds semantic Web principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cylive (<a href="http://www.cylive.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cylive.com</a>) is another platform that embeds semantic Web principles.</p>
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		<title>By: AI3:::Adaptive Information</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-3954</link>
		<dc:creator>AI3:::Adaptive Information</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 03:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Did You Blink?  The Structured Web Just Arrived&lt;/strong&gt;


dbpedia Serves Up Real Meat and Potatoes (but Bring Your Own Knife and Fork!)
dbpedia is the first and largest source of structured data on the Internet covering topics of general knowledge.  You may have not yet heard of dbpedia, but you will.  Its n...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Did You Blink?  The Structured Web Just Arrived</strong></p>
<p>dbpedia Serves Up Real Meat and Potatoes (but Bring Your Own Knife and Fork!)<br />
dbpedia is the first and largest source of structured data on the Internet covering topics of general knowledge.  You may have not yet heard of dbpedia, but you will.  Its n&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Like a moth to the Freebase flame « Jon Udell &#171; A Frog in the Valley Internet Stream Pulse</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-3794</link>
		<dc:creator>Like a moth to the Freebase flame « Jon Udell &#171; A Frog in the Valley Internet Stream Pulse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a moth to the Freebase flame « Jon&#160;Udell  Freebase is aptly named, I am drawn like a moth to its flame. I realize it can be annoying to discuss things [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a moth to the Freebase flame « Jon&nbsp;Udell  Freebase is aptly named, I am drawn like a moth to its flame. I realize it can be annoying to discuss things [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Like a moth to the Freebase flame &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-2323</link>
		<dc:creator>Like a moth to the Freebase flame &#171; Jon Udell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a moth to the Freebase&#160;flame Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; Jon Udell @ 4:32 pm    Freebase is aptly named, I am drawn like a moth to its flame. I realize it can be annoying to discuss things [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a moth to the Freebase&nbsp;flame Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; Jon Udell @ 4:32 pm    Freebase is aptly named, I am drawn like a moth to its flame. I realize it can be annoying to discuss things [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Squio.blog &#187; Freebase as productive playgound?</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-2284</link>
		<dc:creator>Squio.blog &#187; Freebase as productive playgound?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Now Jon Udell added his view in Semantic web as social enjoyment. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-03-25</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-03-25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 06:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Semantic web as social enjoyment « Jon Udell &#8220;The authors of the semantic web are going to be people, not machines. And people will only want to play the game if it’s easy, natural, and fun.&#8221;   These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Semantic web as social enjoyment « Jon Udell &#8220;The authors of the semantic web are going to be people, not machines. And people will only want to play the game if it’s easy, natural, and fun.&#8221;   These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-2043</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you said. What Paul said too, this is altogether close enough to the standards to be part of the Semantic Web (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freebase.com/view?id=%239202a8c04000641f80000000042b23dd&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RDF schemas and Metaweb types&lt;/a&gt; on freebase).

I also agree re. WinFS, MS fumbled the ball a little there. They could in effect have claimed a big chunk of Semantic Web development real estate. But I suspect their ongoing Entities-related developments sees them back on track. How well their designs will overlap with those of (Semantic) Web architecture remains to be seen, but I&#039;m optimistic they will be within bridging distance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you said. What Paul said too, this is altogether close enough to the standards to be part of the Semantic Web (see <a href="http://www.freebase.com/view?id=%239202a8c04000641f80000000042b23dd" rel="nofollow">RDF schemas and Metaweb types</a> on freebase).</p>
<p>I also agree re. WinFS, MS fumbled the ball a little there. They could in effect have claimed a big chunk of Semantic Web development real estate. But I suspect their ongoing Entities-related developments sees them back on track. How well their designs will overlap with those of (Semantic) Web architecture remains to be seen, but I&#8217;m optimistic they will be within bridging distance.</p>
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		<title>By: NOSMeLD : Semantic web as social enjoyment</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-2032</link>
		<dc:creator>NOSMeLD : Semantic web as social enjoyment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Maden</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-2031</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Maden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom - while I&#039;m not one of the front-end people at Metaweb, I share your concern about the requirement for JavaScript.  I was involved in the Web Accessibility Initiative from its founding, and still occasionally use Lynx.  However, my understanding is that this is the way things are now in part because it gets the editing and autocompletion capabilities up and running quickly.  JavaScript-free read-only abilities are on the to-do list (though pretty far down), not least so that search engines can see our stuff.

Since I&#039;m writing anyway... here&#039;s another short walkthrough.  I was doing some data gardening related to the &quot;person&quot; type, and saw Jon Udell in the list.  I&#039;d corresponded with him a bit while I was a tools guy at O&#039;Reilly (note that in Tim&#039;s walkthrough, I&#039;m described as the only other &quot;key person&quot; at O&#039;Reilly Media - bad labeling on the connection between employer and employee, there), and figured he was a likely alpha user.  Sure enough, he had edited his own description and added some properties.  I noted that his place of birth was &quot;Philadelphia,&quot; which was odd; our cities tend to be named with their state included.  Sure enough, &quot;Philadelphia&quot; had been created accidentally by some other user as a &quot;location,&quot; and then Jon had reused it.  So I:
1) Changed Jon&#039;s place of birth to &quot;Philadelphia, Pennsylvania&quot; (which is a &quot;location&quot; and a &quot;city/town&quot;).
2) Added a type to &quot;Philadelphia&quot;: &quot;duplicate.&quot;
3) Added a property to &quot;Philadelphia&quot;: it is a duplicate of &quot;Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.&quot;
4) Removed the &quot;location&quot; type from &quot;Philadelphia&quot; to keep it from coming up in autocomplete for other location properties.
By marking it as a duplicate, if someone does end up using it, our topic merge tool can find it and its namesake and combine their properties.  This will be more heavily automated as we gain confidence in our detection algorithms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8211; while I&#8217;m not one of the front-end people at Metaweb, I share your concern about the requirement for JavaScript.  I was involved in the Web Accessibility Initiative from its founding, and still occasionally use Lynx.  However, my understanding is that this is the way things are now in part because it gets the editing and autocompletion capabilities up and running quickly.  JavaScript-free read-only abilities are on the to-do list (though pretty far down), not least so that search engines can see our stuff.</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m writing anyway&#8230; here&#8217;s another short walkthrough.  I was doing some data gardening related to the &#8220;person&#8221; type, and saw Jon Udell in the list.  I&#8217;d corresponded with him a bit while I was a tools guy at O&#8217;Reilly (note that in Tim&#8217;s walkthrough, I&#8217;m described as the only other &#8220;key person&#8221; at O&#8217;Reilly Media &#8211; bad labeling on the connection between employer and employee, there), and figured he was a likely alpha user.  Sure enough, he had edited his own description and added some properties.  I noted that his place of birth was &#8220;Philadelphia,&#8221; which was odd; our cities tend to be named with their state included.  Sure enough, &#8220;Philadelphia&#8221; had been created accidentally by some other user as a &#8220;location,&#8221; and then Jon had reused it.  So I:<br />
1) Changed Jon&#8217;s place of birth to &#8220;Philadelphia, Pennsylvania&#8221; (which is a &#8220;location&#8221; and a &#8220;city/town&#8221;).<br />
2) Added a type to &#8220;Philadelphia&#8221;: &#8220;duplicate.&#8221;<br />
3) Added a property to &#8220;Philadelphia&#8221;: it is a duplicate of &#8220;Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.&#8221;<br />
4) Removed the &#8220;location&#8221; type from &#8220;Philadelphia&#8221; to keep it from coming up in autocomplete for other location properties.<br />
By marking it as a duplicate, if someone does end up using it, our topic merge tool can find it and its namesake and combine their properties.  This will be more heavily automated as we gain confidence in our detection algorithms.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Howell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see (what looks to be) a slick interface for building a semantic wiki - the problem of letting normal people create structured info + schema is a tricky one, and making it a &#039;whole lot of fun&#039; is probably a prerequisite (writing RDF or OWL (or even XML) by hand isn&#039;t very much fun for most people :)

We wrote a white paper recently comparing semantic wikis to another approach we&#039;re working on for making it easier to enhance text on vanilla web pages with structured info - which takes an unorthodox route via sticky notes / tagging / connections layered on top of normal websites rather than scraping/importing structured info from existing sites and databases - if curious, Google &#039;enhancing documents textensor&#039; or go to:-

http://www.textensor.com/enhancing-documents-2007.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to see (what looks to be) a slick interface for building a semantic wiki &#8211; the problem of letting normal people create structured info + schema is a tricky one, and making it a &#8216;whole lot of fun&#8217; is probably a prerequisite (writing RDF or OWL (or even XML) by hand isn&#8217;t very much fun for most people :)</p>
<p>We wrote a white paper recently comparing semantic wikis to another approach we&#8217;re working on for making it easier to enhance text on vanilla web pages with structured info &#8211; which takes an unorthodox route via sticky notes / tagging / connections layered on top of normal websites rather than scraping/importing structured info from existing sites and databases &#8211; if curious, Google &#8216;enhancing documents textensor&#8217; or go to:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.textensor.com/enhancing-documents-2007.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.textensor.com/enhancing-documents-2007.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-2015</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m immediately skeptical of any Web site that requires JavaScript just to get my browser to the correct start page.


 
 


Seriously guys, there are far better ways to do stuff like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m immediately skeptical of any Web site that requires JavaScript just to get my browser to the correct start page.</p>
<p>Seriously guys, there are far better ways to do stuff like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Miller</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now the Nova Spivack conversation is &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/2007/03/nova_spivack_talks_with_talis.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;available&lt;/a&gt; over on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nodalities&lt;/a&gt; blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now the Nova Spivack conversation is <a href="http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/2007/03/nova_spivack_talks_with_talis.php" rel="nofollow">available</a> over on the <a href="http://blogs.talis.com/nodalities/" rel="nofollow">Nodalities</a> blog.</p>
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		<title>By: James  Governor</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/23/semantic-web-as-social-enjoyment/#comment-2007</link>
		<dc:creator>James  Governor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey if you do get some invites can i get one please? thanks jon. your thoughts on winfs are interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey if you do get some invites can i get one please? thanks jon. your thoughts on winfs are interesting.</p>
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