Comments on: XMP and microformats revisited http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/ Strategies for Internet citizens Sun, 12 Feb 2012 18:22:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: colocation http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-130207 Sun, 20 Sep 2009 07:12:41 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-130207 Audience Seventeen models, a kind f)?This article Several, not in such.Ask me At, revenue only if.Web Directory right colocation, give latest technology we develop power.Playing World of, a sound business.,

]]> By: Truth, files, microformats, and XMP « Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-127918 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:34:42 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-127918 [...] In fact many popular formats can’t, including PNG, GIF, and BMP. [Update: Incorrect, see next rock.] But JPG can, and it’s a wonderful thing to [...]

]]> By: Blogging from Word 2007, crossing the chasm « Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-853 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:10:04 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-853 [...] crossing the chasm Filed under: Uncategorized — Jon Udell @ 10:32 am The other day I wrote: …as someone who is composing this blog entry as XHTML, in emacs, using a semantic CSS tag [...]

]]> By: Kingsley Idehen's Blog Data Space http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-770 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:43:07 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-770 XMP and microformats revisited

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]]> By: Kingsley Idehen's Blog Data Space http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-769 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:42:51 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-769 XMP and microformats revisited

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]]> By: Lucas Gonze http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-762 Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:03:41 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-762 Jon –

The emphasis in Mike Schinkel’s comment above was on ‘that makes it’s way through the “microformat community process.”’, rather than on ‘semantic markup in html’. That’s a crucial emphasis, because it’s about the singular community centered around microformats.org. They would call data using semantic markup in HTML just “semantic markup.”

The thing you’re thinking of, XMP within HTML, is more in line with the now defunct (as far as I know) Structured Blogging initiative.

]]> By: Danny http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-752 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:45:42 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-752 PS. “how shall we broadly refer to embedded chunks of metadata?” – metadata embedded in a document is still just data. So I suggest the word “data” ;-)

]]> By: Danny http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-751 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:42:10 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-751 Ok Jon, there may be a way you can shift into Web 3.0 overdrive here, and get what you’re after. Now I don’t know about all the specific details, but I doubt it’s far off. First use Ivan Herman’s Python XMP code (in your IronPython environment) to get the RDF out of the JPG. Load the result into an RDF model in RDFLib. A simple SPARQL query against that (maybe just SELECT ?s ?p ?o WHERE {?s ?p ?o}) could produce SPARQL/JSON results, which you could use directly (following Patrick’s suggestion), or build a DOM including RDFa (along the lines Elias suggested), or, when one becomes available, as a true microformat (in the sense Mike mentions). For round-tripping, right now you might have to go a slightly different route, using XSLT (along the lines of this GRDDL use case) to yield XMP/RDF, which you could then re-insert into the JPG. Convoluted, sure, but versatile through being loosely-coupled and (assuming all the libs work), very programmer-friendly.

]]> By: Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-749 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:18:30 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-749 “the microformat community … intends for the name “microformats” to only be used for semantic markup in html”

OK. Then how shall we broadly refer to embedded chunks of metadata? Because that class of things has important properties that transcend the differences between microformats and “just semantic XHML” and EXIF and XMP and ID3 tags and Word metadata and….

]]> By: Bob Boynton http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-741 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:22:55 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-741 Camera manufacturers have figured out a common standard for embedding information in photographs — not limited to gif and png — that can be accessed by many of the photo editors on the market. The photo editing programs can now adjust the color, etc. of a photo based on what is known about the characteristics of cameras.

So, it is possible. And it is practical if you can get agreement on a standard, which is probably very difficult.

]]> By: Mike Schinkel http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-734 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:06:21 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-734 I too was confused about your use of the term “microformats.” That said, now that you’ve clarified, I’d like to point out that the microformat community has taken ownership of the name and intends for the name “microformats” to only be used for semantic markup in html that makes it’s way through the “microformat community process.” See [1] for reference.

[1] http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-December/007646.html

]]> By: Patrick Mueller http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-721 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:06:10 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-721 From a brief perusal of the XMP Specification, it looks like the structure might also easily be serializable as JSON: simple types, structures, arrays.

]]> By: Danny http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-720 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:40:04 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-720 “In the real world, people have been waiting — still are waiting — for widespread deployment of the tools that will enable them to embed chunks of metadata in documents, work with that metadata in-place, and exchange it.”

For embedding & working with it in-place, I believe there are already XMP toolkits for most programming languages, and end-user tools like Adobe’s and (as you point out) Vista Photo gallery offer support. For exchanging it – well, an RDF dialect makes sense there because of the virtually arbitrary information a metadata packet can contain. A cleaner and simpler XMP might be desirable, but if XMP’s already fairly widely deployed as-is, wouldn’t it be easier to improve the tools? Improve mapping to e.g. microformats? (I honestly don’t know, but getting companies like MS & Adobe to change on aesthetic grounds is likely to be an uphill struggle…).

]]> By: Elias Torres » Blog Archive » XMP and microformats == RDFa http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-718 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:51:28 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-718 [...] connected to Semantic Web efforts and know more RDF than I do, yet failed to realize that Jon is definitely serious and is looking for an answer: Personally I’d rather see what I’d consider to be a simpler and [...]

]]> By: Jon Udell http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-715 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:26:30 +0000 http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/15/xmp-and-microformats-revisited/#comment-715 “Or did Scott Dart comment privately on Steven’s comment?”

Yes. I’d like to interview Scott, and/or folks on that team, for an upcoming episode of my new MS Conversations podcast series.

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