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		<title>By: WEIBO123</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-170418</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 03:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In both cases, the answer to “who are you?” depends on who’s asking. When I’m the server, I’d like to know who’s asking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In both cases, the answer to “who are you?” depends on who’s asking. When I’m the server, I’d like to know who’s asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Affiliatesrating</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 13:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After research a couple of of the blog posts on your web site now, and I truly like your approach of blogging. I bookmarked it to my bookmark web site listing and can be checking again soon. Pls check out my web page as well and let me know what you think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After research a couple of of the blog posts on your web site now, and I truly like your approach of blogging. I bookmarked it to my bookmark web site listing and can be checking again soon. Pls check out my web page as well and let me know what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Emil Sit &#187; Privacy, the Internet, and me</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-60516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emil Sit &#187; Privacy, the Internet, and me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] are working on things on the legal front as well as exploring technical ideas like examining our online surface area, managing our attention, and managing and sharing data anonymously. And things will improve when [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are working on things on the legal front as well as exploring technical ideas like examining our online surface area, managing our attention, and managing and sharing data anonymously. And things will improve when [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; From Planet Security</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-19876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; From Planet Security]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 05:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Who can see which parts of my published surface area?, by Jon Udell. An interesting look at the realm of online projections. That every injection, regardless of medium or size on the internet, develops or extends the surface area of a two way influence. Undertones of Digital Identity Management. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Who can see which parts of my published surface area?, by Jon Udell. An interesting look at the realm of online projections. That every injection, regardless of medium or size on the internet, develops or extends the surface area of a two way influence. Undertones of Digital Identity Management. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Galloway</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Galloway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This seems related to the whole digital identity thing. Infocard lets me disclose different information by presenting different representations of my identity depending on the service I&#039;m authenticating to. What you&#039;re talking about seems like the same thing in reverse -  progressive disclosure (with tracking) from &quot;server&quot; to &quot;client&quot; instead of Infocard&#039;s &quot;client&quot; to &quot;server&quot; personna selection.

In both cases, the answer to &quot;who are you?&quot; depends on who&#039;s asking. When I&#039;m the server, I&#039;d like to know who&#039;s asking.

In the simple case of calendar sharing, a lower tech facet of this solution (as I just commented on one of your previous posts) is to share full calendar information with close contact and FreeBusy information with more distant contacts. That&#039;s progressive disclosure for calendars, but it&#039;s I have to control it by giving out different references to different types of calendar feeds, and (as you indicated), there&#039;s no simple way to visualize what&#039;s been shared with whom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems related to the whole digital identity thing. Infocard lets me disclose different information by presenting different representations of my identity depending on the service I&#8217;m authenticating to. What you&#8217;re talking about seems like the same thing in reverse &#8211;  progressive disclosure (with tracking) from &#8220;server&#8221; to &#8220;client&#8221; instead of Infocard&#8217;s &#8220;client&#8221; to &#8220;server&#8221; personna selection.</p>
<p>In both cases, the answer to &#8220;who are you?&#8221; depends on who&#8217;s asking. When I&#8217;m the server, I&#8217;d like to know who&#8217;s asking.</p>
<p>In the simple case of calendar sharing, a lower tech facet of this solution (as I just commented on one of your previous posts) is to share full calendar information with close contact and FreeBusy information with more distant contacts. That&#8217;s progressive disclosure for calendars, but it&#8217;s I have to control it by giving out different references to different types of calendar feeds, and (as you indicated), there&#8217;s no simple way to visualize what&#8217;s been shared with whom.</p>
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		<title>By: More Good Foundation Blog &#187; The Web needs your participation</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More Good Foundation Blog &#187; The Web needs your participation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] If you&#039;re new here, read more about the More Good Foundation. We promote the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon church) on the Internet. Learn more about what Mormons believe.In this current &#8220;age of participation,&#8221; we (you and I) are forging the Web. Anyone can write a blog, create a video, post a photo, ask or answer a question, or vote on a story. What you contribute (and even what you consume &#8212; web sites are getting better at noticing what we pay attention to!) shapes what others find on the Internet. With each word you read or write, each sentence, each page, and each link, each of us are helping to shape the web every day. (Seobook.com) To describe the various projections of ourselves into cyberspace, I use the following metaphor: we’re cells, and we’re growing the surface area of our cellular membranes. Every time I write a blog item, or post a Flickr photo, or tag a resource in del.icio.us, I enlarge the surface area of that membrane. (blog.jonudell.net) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you&#8217;re new here, read more about the More Good Foundation. We promote the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormon church) on the Internet. Learn more about what Mormons believe.In this current &#8220;age of participation,&#8221; we (you and I) are forging the Web. Anyone can write a blog, create a video, post a photo, ask or answer a question, or vote on a story. What you contribute (and even what you consume &#8212; web sites are getting better at noticing what we pay attention to!) shapes what others find on the Internet. With each word you read or write, each sentence, each page, and each link, each of us are helping to shape the web every day. (Seobook.com) To describe the various projections of ourselves into cyberspace, I use the following metaphor: we’re cells, and we’re growing the surface area of our cellular membranes. Every time I write a blog item, or post a Flickr photo, or tag a resource in del.icio.us, I enlarge the surface area of that membrane. (blog.jonudell.net) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Vielmetti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 04:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon,

I recently went back to a couple of pages that had not been touched in years (my first weblogs, dating back to 1999) and inserted a little bit of tracking javascript to see where the hits were coming from.  I hadn&#039;t expected to have much traffic, but there is a steady background radiation of 15-30 hits a day on pages that haven&#039;t been changed for a long time.

The &quot;surface area&quot; viewer I make the best use of at the moment is 103bees, a search log analysis tool.  The embedded javascript relays the search engine query terms to a stats gatherer, which in turn collates results.  Not perfect - you can&#039;t embed it on Flickr, for instance, or on comments you leave - but mighty handy when it does work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>I recently went back to a couple of pages that had not been touched in years (my first weblogs, dating back to 1999) and inserted a little bit of tracking javascript to see where the hits were coming from.  I hadn&#8217;t expected to have much traffic, but there is a steady background radiation of 15-30 hits a day on pages that haven&#8217;t been changed for a long time.</p>
<p>The &#8220;surface area&#8221; viewer I make the best use of at the moment is 103bees, a search log analysis tool.  The embedded javascript relays the search engine query terms to a stats gatherer, which in turn collates results.  Not perfect &#8211; you can&#8217;t embed it on Flickr, for instance, or on comments you leave &#8211; but mighty handy when it does work.</p>
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		<title>By: An object lesson in surface area visibility &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[An object lesson in surface area visibility &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]    A comment from Mark Middleton perfectly illustrates the point I was making the other day about visualizing your published surface area. I started this blog in December, and ever since I&#8217;ve been running with a robots.txt file [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    A comment from Mark Middleton perfectly illustrates the point I was making the other day about visualizing your published surface area. I started this blog in December, and ever since I&#8217;ve been running with a robots.txt file [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This Old Network &#187; It&#8217;s hard to watch our published surface area</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This Old Network &#187; It&#8217;s hard to watch our published surface area]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] recently started subscribing to Jon Udell&#8217;s blog. One of his recent posts relates to our own information publishing as a cell - in the sense that it has a membrane where we detect interactions with the outside [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently started subscribing to Jon Udell&#8217;s blog. One of his recent posts relates to our own information publishing as a cell &#8211; in the sense that it has a membrane where we detect interactions with the outside [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Calendar cross publishing concepts, the adventures of John Udell &#187; Enterprise 2.0 and web 2.0 resources</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calendar cross publishing concepts, the adventures of John Udell &#187; Enterprise 2.0 and web 2.0 resources]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Who can see which parts of my published surface area? &#171; WaltzWatch</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Who can see which parts of my published surface area? &#171; WaltzWatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 10:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] can see which parts of my published surface&#160;area?  Who can see which parts of my published surface area?: [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: All in a days work&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[All in a days work&#8230;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 01:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Who can see which parts of my published surface area? We can at least dream about how a surface-area viewer would work. Humans are lousy at this kind of thing, computers are good at it, we just haven’t figured out how to get computers to help us yet. It would impractical for all sorts of reasons, but still (tags: Profiles Visualizations) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Who can see which parts of my published surface area? We can at least dream about how a surface-area viewer would work. Humans are lousy at this kind of thing, computers are good at it, we just haven’t figured out how to get computers to help us yet. It would impractical for all sorts of reasons, but still (tags: Profiles Visualizations) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Writing Online &#187; Being Aware in Cyberspace</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Writing Online &#187; Being Aware in Cyberspace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Udell has an interesting post, Who can see which parts of my published surface area? To describe the various projections of ourselves into cyberspace, I use the following metaphor: [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: orcmid</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/02/02/who-can-see-which-parts-of-my-published-surface-area/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orcmid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a similar problem with embargoed material that is hidden under a private URL until I link it into a public structure that search bots see and can follow, along with other curious characters and the intended audience.

I know this is only a piece of the problem.  Like you, I rely on the privacy of the embargoed URL and trusting that no one plants a link to it in a visible web page, a blog or whatnot.  If it was something I cared more about, I could watch the log reports to find out how the URL is being used (especially the referrer report).

If I were to do more, I would put a real server password on that embargoed section, already in a folder with a not-guessable name created using a password generator.  Other than making things more difficult, I don&#039;t think I have accomplished anything other than add a slightly-higher level of protection for something that there&#039;s a mutual interest in keeping private.

It seems to me that giving out a password or a URL is workable but does not scale.  I don&#039;t think it is about passwords, I think it is about authorization.  I would want to authorize the possessor of a particular certificate to access the material.  Having a certificate and the (unknown to me) private key associated with it seems as strong as it gets for practical privacy agreements.  Now only if the certificate is compromised, or I accepted the certificate of an imposter in the first place, is there a problem.  But it is easy to revoke the access rights of that individual certificate once the compromise is known.  This does mean that I would have to keep track of the specific certificates I had granted access to, but that would be good enough for the cases I have in mind.

So, it sounds like something like InfoCards (sorry, I can never remember the married name of that technology) with its easy self-generated certificates might be a reasonable way to set up a private realm shared by a modest number of participants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a similar problem with embargoed material that is hidden under a private URL until I link it into a public structure that search bots see and can follow, along with other curious characters and the intended audience.</p>
<p>I know this is only a piece of the problem.  Like you, I rely on the privacy of the embargoed URL and trusting that no one plants a link to it in a visible web page, a blog or whatnot.  If it was something I cared more about, I could watch the log reports to find out how the URL is being used (especially the referrer report).</p>
<p>If I were to do more, I would put a real server password on that embargoed section, already in a folder with a not-guessable name created using a password generator.  Other than making things more difficult, I don&#8217;t think I have accomplished anything other than add a slightly-higher level of protection for something that there&#8217;s a mutual interest in keeping private.</p>
<p>It seems to me that giving out a password or a URL is workable but does not scale.  I don&#8217;t think it is about passwords, I think it is about authorization.  I would want to authorize the possessor of a particular certificate to access the material.  Having a certificate and the (unknown to me) private key associated with it seems as strong as it gets for practical privacy agreements.  Now only if the certificate is compromised, or I accepted the certificate of an imposter in the first place, is there a problem.  But it is easy to revoke the access rights of that individual certificate once the compromise is known.  This does mean that I would have to keep track of the specific certificates I had granted access to, but that would be good enough for the cases I have in mind.</p>
<p>So, it sounds like something like InfoCards (sorry, I can never remember the married name of that technology) with its easy self-generated certificates might be a reasonable way to set up a private realm shared by a modest number of participants.</p>
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