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		<title>By: Science in the Open &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Giving credit, filtering, and blogs versus traditional research papers</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-131622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Science in the Open &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Giving credit, filtering, and blogs versus traditional research papers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] don’t think these are particularly new ideas (see also in particular Jon Udell on Circles of Trust, via a BBGM post) but I felt compelled to try and phrase them myself. YMMV.      (No Ratings Yet) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] don’t think these are particularly new ideas (see also in particular Jon Udell on Circles of Trust, via a BBGM post) but I felt compelled to try and phrase them myself. YMMV.      (No Ratings Yet) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lightweight event syndication with trusted feeds &#124; Crazy Monster Trucks</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-126389</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lightweight event syndication with trusted feeds &#124; Crazy Monster Trucks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The question I&#8217;ve been exploring is how to create those circumstances. One aspect of the answer, and the one I want to focus on here, is trusted feeds. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The question I&#8217;ve been exploring is how to create those circumstances. One aspect of the answer, and the one I want to focus on here, is trusted feeds. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lightweight event syndication with trusted feeds &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-126220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lightweight event syndication with trusted feeds &#171; Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The question I&#8217;ve been exploring is how to create those circumstances. One aspect of the answer, and the one I want to focus on here, is trusted feeds. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The question I&#8217;ve been exploring is how to create those circumstances. One aspect of the answer, and the one I want to focus on here, is trusted feeds. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The web cannot be indexed?!!! : business&#124;bytes&#124;genes&#124;molecules</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-122796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The web cannot be indexed?!!! : business&#124;bytes&#124;genes&#124;molecules]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] need that indexed web as the backbone on top of which we can provide specific services and build a circle of trust. Any attempts to derail that are shortsighted. I would go so far as to say that those who have this [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] need that indexed web as the backbone on top of which we can provide specific services and build a circle of trust. Any attempts to derail that are shortsighted. I would go so far as to say that those who have this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: business&#124;bytes&#124;genes&#124;molecules</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[business&#124;bytes&#124;genes&#124;molecules]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] one more twist to the whole issue. Reputation and the &#8220;circle of trust&#8221;. Jon Udell has blogged about this extensively, we notice it every day in our lives, e.g. a customized Google Co-op search [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one more twist to the whole issue. Reputation and the &#8220;circle of trust&#8221;. Jon Udell has blogged about this extensively, we notice it every day in our lives, e.g. a customized Google Co-op search [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I have to agree that trusted feeds (and users) are the first line of defense against abuse.&quot;

If, and it&#039;s a huge if, you can get people to produce those feeds. Which, though   it may seem trivial to you and me, and may in fact be almost trivial if it&#039;s only posting something somewhere with a couple of agreed-upon tags, is in fact not trivial if the reaction to &quot;posting with agreed-upon tags&quot; is &quot;Huh?&quot;

The conceptual barrier is really formidable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have to agree that trusted feeds (and users) are the first line of defense against abuse.&#8221;</p>
<p>If, and it&#8217;s a huge if, you can get people to produce those feeds. Which, though   it may seem trivial to you and me, and may in fact be almost trivial if it&#8217;s only posting something somewhere with a couple of agreed-upon tags, is in fact not trivial if the reaction to &#8220;posting with agreed-upon tags&#8221; is &#8220;Huh?&#8221;</p>
<p>The conceptual barrier is really formidable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Udell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It takes a while for people to understand that the internet includes, in addition to newspaper content, lots of content from people with no official authority or acreditation, and that they as the reader need to begin making judgements about how much to trust one source over another.&quot;

Agreed. But are you saying that Bob, whom I know locally and trust, is /less/ credible when I read/watch/hear him over the Internet versus more conventional modes? If so, why? Because I suspect it might not really be Bob coming through that pipe? Because when my experience of Bob happens in an Internet context I have different expectations of Bob?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It takes a while for people to understand that the internet includes, in addition to newspaper content, lots of content from people with no official authority or acreditation, and that they as the reader need to begin making judgements about how much to trust one source over another.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed. But are you saying that Bob, whom I know locally and trust, is /less/ credible when I read/watch/hear him over the Internet versus more conventional modes? If so, why? Because I suspect it might not really be Bob coming through that pipe? Because when my experience of Bob happens in an Internet context I have different expectations of Bob?</p>
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		<title>By: farlane (Andy McFarlane)</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[farlane (Andy McFarlane)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have an excellent blog, Jon. As an internet developer and the lead architect on a large community site (Absolute Michigan) and a smaller one (Leelanau.com) where a bulletin board got waaay out of hand, I find the issues that you are dealing with very relevant. 

I am definitely considering hair-trigger abuse reporting, but I have to agree that trusted feeds (and users) are the first line of defense against abuse. I think that if you can get people to buy into the overall community (virtual or physical) you can expect their behavior to be more self moderated.

Anyway, great site!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have an excellent blog, Jon. As an internet developer and the lead architect on a large community site (Absolute Michigan) and a smaller one (Leelanau.com) where a bulletin board got waaay out of hand, I find the issues that you are dealing with very relevant. </p>
<p>I am definitely considering hair-trigger abuse reporting, but I have to agree that trusted feeds (and users) are the first line of defense against abuse. I think that if you can get people to buy into the overall community (virtual or physical) you can expect their behavior to be more self moderated.</p>
<p>Anyway, great site!</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Schutte</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bart Schutte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the comment from the local media people about the internet (&quot;But you can’t trust random information on the Internet.” ) you concluded that what they seemed to be saying was the Internet invalidated the personal trust they had already established with each other.  

I see a different interpretation.  For people who are just beginning to come into the Internet, they often view it like a NewsPaper, meaning that the content has been edited, validated and is 100% trustworthy.  I think that is the view that many people have of a newspaper even though somewhere inside they know it is not true.  And they apply this same perspective to the internet :  what is there must be authoritative.

And while they have trusted relationships with each other, they know that what Bob is saying may not be 100% accurate, but it&#039;s Bob.  They know how to filter what he is saying.  But what is on  the internet should have a higher level of authority and validation, and Bob doesn&#039;t have that.  

It takes a while for people to understand that the internet includes, in addition to newspaper content, lots of content from people with no official authority or acreditation, and that they as the reader need to begin making judgements about how much to trust one source over another.  

They will eventually discover the networks of related contributors and be able to establish trust through transitivity (I trust Jon, so I will trust who Jon trusts).

This is a big learning curver for people to go through, especially those who are not in the high-tech business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the comment from the local media people about the internet (&#8220;But you can’t trust random information on the Internet.” ) you concluded that what they seemed to be saying was the Internet invalidated the personal trust they had already established with each other.  </p>
<p>I see a different interpretation.  For people who are just beginning to come into the Internet, they often view it like a NewsPaper, meaning that the content has been edited, validated and is 100% trustworthy.  I think that is the view that many people have of a newspaper even though somewhere inside they know it is not true.  And they apply this same perspective to the internet :  what is there must be authoritative.</p>
<p>And while they have trusted relationships with each other, they know that what Bob is saying may not be 100% accurate, but it&#8217;s Bob.  They know how to filter what he is saying.  But what is on  the internet should have a higher level of authority and validation, and Bob doesn&#8217;t have that.  </p>
<p>It takes a while for people to understand that the internet includes, in addition to newspaper content, lots of content from people with no official authority or acreditation, and that they as the reader need to begin making judgements about how much to trust one source over another.  </p>
<p>They will eventually discover the networks of related contributors and be able to establish trust through transitivity (I trust Jon, so I will trust who Jon trusts).</p>
<p>This is a big learning curver for people to go through, especially those who are not in the high-tech business.</p>
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		<title>By: Dadblog &#187; links for 2007-01-08</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dadblog &#187; links for 2007-01-08]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Trusted feeds « Jon Udell Fascinating thoughts on trust from Mr Udell. (tags: messymedia localmedia) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Trusted feeds « Jon Udell Fascinating thoughts on trust from Mr Udell. (tags: messymedia localmedia) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Schinkel</title>
		<link>http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/01/05/trusted-feeds/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Schinkel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 01:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon: You should hyperlink Flickr on this page: http://elmcity.info/dining
Or better yet hyperlink to a page of your own that gives them a super simple step-by-step for how to use Flickr, complete with screen shots...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon: You should hyperlink Flickr on this page: <a href="http://elmcity.info/dining" rel="nofollow">http://elmcity.info/dining</a><br />
Or better yet hyperlink to a page of your own that gives them a super simple step-by-step for how to use Flickr, complete with screen shots&#8230;</p>
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